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Title: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 21, 2020
Anti-gravity has been talked for a long period of time, I would like to know on any clear description on what gravity is in matter?

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGiGMX0t3_U


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: bio_man on Aug 21, 2020
I believe the gravity we experience on earth is due the to the rotation of the earth. If you spin a vessel really fast, the objects inside will experience a "magnetic" force towards the edge of the vessel. I first realized this when I was a teenager, riding this at an amusement park.

(https://images1.houstonpress.com/imager/u/original/10258253/centrifugekm.jpg)

And similarly:

(https://talleyamusements.com/images/site/rides/2B5C580E-2DED-41ED-8D6C-302BF8768A2B.42849.9611458333-G.jpg)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 21, 2020
Human lives on the surface of earth, during the earth's spinning, gravity holds us on earth, that is the force, if not, we cannot stay on earth.  Based on current information, is there any reference related to what gravity is in matter? if not, there is no way to understand anti-gravity.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thank you very much for any suggestions (^v^)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: Znick on Aug 21, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTY1Kje0yLg

This could help


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: bio_man on Aug 21, 2020
The video makes note of Einstein's idea of gravity, where gravity arises from the "warping" of space and time.

Going back to what I stated, gravity that you feel on Earth also depends on the fact that when the earth is spinning, centripetal forces are in affect, causing us to move towards the earth's center.

(https://static.diffen.com/uploadz/f/f4/Centripetal-force.jpg)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 22, 2020
Going back to what I stated, gravity that you feel on Earth also depends on the fact that when the earth is spinning, centripetal forces are in affect, causing us to move towards the earth's center.


Referring to following video, it seems hard to relate centripetal forces to gravity force, since there is no physical bonding between human physical body and Earth during Earth's spinning.

Furthermore, the video for gravity visualized shows only brief introduction, but this experiment does not work in space without gravity's existence on Earth.  

There is still a missing link on what gravity is in matter.

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajk352yc_Cs


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 22, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkbUzfTq3w4


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 22, 2020
It seems that the fibre (?) of space does not make sense,

Is there any concept on how mass is generated?  If I look at coin, that is made up of many chemical elements on atomic levels, and each atomic structure contain electrons and proton, but how does those elements (electrons and proton) generate mass in the first place?

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: duddy on Aug 22, 2020
Referring to following video, it seems hard to relate centripetal forces to gravity force, since there is no physical bonding between human physical body and Earth during Earth's spinning. Furthermore, the video for gravity visualized shows only brief introduction, but this experiment does not work in space without gravity's existence on Earth.

I'm in agreement, I don't think it's the earth's rotation that's pulling us towards it's center. Using Newton's idea of gravity, given that the earth has a dense center, two objects will exert gravitation forces towards one another based on their mass. The mass of a human, relative to the dense center is negligible, hence why we're pulled towards the center (or ground, depending on your frame of reference).

Here's the formula I'm referring to:

(https://www.norwegiancreations.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/gravity_formula.jpg)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: duddy on Aug 22, 2020
Is there any concept on how mass is generated?

Newton's law of gravity explains why matter possess mass.

Said best:

Since the gravitational force is directly proportional to the mass of both interacting objects, more massive objects will attract each other with a greater gravitational force. So as the mass of either object increases, the force of gravitational attraction between them also increases.


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 22, 2020
more massive objects will attract each other with a greater gravitational force. So as the mass of either object increases, the force of gravitational attraction between them also increases.

Why do massive objects (matter) attract each other? if this property is fully understood, then anti-gravity is practice.  

Is there any related articles talking about this issue?
Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: duddy on Aug 22, 2020
Newtonian physics doesn't have an answer for this, Newton just came up with a law that describes what happens. It took Einstein to came up with an explanation. Briefly put, mass bends space (strictly speaking, spacetime) so that the otherwise straight path of an object moving through space is bent towards the mass. There is no "force" as such.

What do you mean by "anti-gravity"?


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: bio_man on Aug 22, 2020
I don't think it's the earth's rotation that's pulling us towards it's center.

Apologies for the confusion... Need to touch up on my physics


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 22, 2020
mass bends space (strictly speaking, spacetime) so that the otherwise straight path of an object moving through space is bent towards the mass. There is no "force" as such.

Back to the basic level, is any existing theory talking about on why particle matter attracts to each other in the first place, magnetic force? positive ion attracts negative ion within particles?

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)





Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: duddy on Aug 23, 2020
The theory is warping spacetime, that's the explanation we have currently. Newton used an equation to show what's happening, while Einstein theorized it's due to the warping of spacetime -- a 4th dimension we cannot see. In fact, large objects such as the Sun and planets aren't the only masses that warp the fabric of spacetime. Anything with mass—including your body—bends this four-dimensional cosmic grid. The warp, in turn, creates the effect of gravity, redirecting the path of objects that travel into it. The strength of gravity depends on the size of the space-time warp. A large object with little mass creates a smaller distortion than a tiny object with a huge mass. So by definition if you have mass you have a bending of space-time. It is impossible not to bend space time.

Within an atom are positive and negative particles (protons and electrons). Protons and neutrons possess mass, electron mass is negligible. The more protons + neutrons, the heavier the atom, and so the more it warps space-time.


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: bio_man on Aug 23, 2020
@Duddy, does this illustration align with the idea of space-time?


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 23, 2020
 
masses that warp the fabric of spacetime. Anything with mass—including your body—bends this four-dimensional cosmic grid. The warp, in turn, creates the effect of gravity,

The concept of using fabric of spacetime may use only for illustration purpose, since fabric could relate to magnetic field or attracted force between positive and negative charges in physical matter.  is there no more new concept to describe the fabric of spacetime in more details at this present moment?

Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)


Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: oemBiology on Aug 24, 2020
Could fabric of spacetime be described as share direction of electric's magnetic field with other electrons as shown on video?

Thanks, to everyone very much for any suggestions (^v^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khdi996HL5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM



Title: Re: What is gravity in matter?
Post by: duddy on Aug 24, 2020
Firstly, gravity and magnetism are not the same thing; they are two different topics. Gravity is a force that acts between any two objects with mass, as described in Newton's law of gravity. Magnetism can either pull the two objects together or push them apart, depending on which way the magnets point. With gravity, Newton found that regardless of what the objects are made out of (even plastic), they attract each other if they have mass. The reason it seems like gravity only pulls you towards the earth is because the earth is so big that the pull from you on earth itself isn't enough to do much to its motion.

Unlike gravity, which occurs between any objects, magnetism depends on specific properties of objects. As mentioned already, magnetism can either pull the two objects together or push them apart, depending on which way the magnets point. Most importantly, it depends on what is going on with the electrons in the material, since each electron is like a tiny magnet itself. Most materials feel very little magnetic force because their electrons act like magnets that are pointing every which way, more or less equal numbers pulling or pushing.

In some materials, the electrons can lower their energy by lining up magnetically into magnetic domains. In each domain, most of the electrons pull and push together, so you can get big forces. In some materials (permanent magnets) the domains can all be lined up so you get really big magnetic forces. If you measure very carefully, however, you find that there are small magnetic forces between magnets and 'non-magnetic' materials like pieces of copper or pieces of wood or people. Some of those 'non-magnetic' things are attracted to magnets and others are repelled.

Both magnetism and gravity can affect objects at a distance. Both get weaker as the objects get farther apart. This is why you are affected by the pull of gravity from the earth, but not from distance planets. It's also why two magnets may move together if you set them near each other, but if you set them far apart nothing will happen. However, as two objects get far apart, the gravity between them goes down by a factor of four when you double the distance, but the magnetic force goes down by (at least) a factor of sixteen. On the scale of the solar system, with planets far apart, gravity is much more important than magnetism.