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I would like to hear opinions how factual are these claims that the viruses were never isolated!, if so then how can someone claim there is effective vaccine!?, an logic that I have heard about through the remarks of two balkan doctors (one of them virologist tho later moved in alt med.) clearly pointing without isolated virus there is no effective response to any pandemics [1 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/post-1665168)] the videos in the footnote are in serbian and croatian so take my word about the claims!

Also I do find interesting the next claims by ontopic debunkers, altho far from the expertise of the suggested balkan experts in the videos of the first footnote ... still if there is even little logic in this theory then we are witnessing collapse of the current virology as we know it!, on what my take would be not that viruses dont exist [1 (https://archive.is/TqfeV#selection-1577.0-1585.85)] but think its wrong to be addressed by ultra wide vaccination even less by the modern m'rna (genetic revolution) jabs!, simply viruses should be approached by more lets say natural and/or bioresonant level tho about that maybe later ...

... anyway take Your time and suggest logical disprove of the next claims ... be aware that the truth to various people looks differently [1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20101220142239/http://www.keelynet.com/images/pointsofview1.jpg)] especially when there is no clear measurement of some existance!, but to claim superiority of argument one need proof what in case of viruses indeed is vague how is accepted as granted existence on basis of bulk observation of cell structure instead separate out from cell organism i.e. either we lack tech to isolate viruses or simply cant be isolated ~ yet medicine particularly pharmacology behave as if did it how is throwing around vaccines as prompt response ~ what by the next claims would be quackery!

The first point is that not even one virus was ever isolated as separate organism outside from the cell, an claim by dr. Andrew Kaufman [2 (https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/covid-virus-debate/#gsc.tab=0)][2 (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-reality)] by neat logic confronting also dr. Judy Mikovits [2 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/hpKzxhiWVTM4/)]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/UnpfmjmXNH0O/

The second link is conclusion by dr. Stefan Lanka control experiments [3 (https://archive.is/iQuw4)][3 (https://archive.is/WDSd9#selection-5443.0-5443.13)]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ClOhy1C1cTmO/

The next elaboration is debunking of the germ theory "like" virus theory as claim by Robert Young [2 (https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/dismantling-the-viral-theory)][2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_O._Young)] who as could be seen by the second footnote we cant say could be scientific authority yet it would be nice to hear debunking of his debunking!, if not else as defense of the current accepted germ theory ...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GghKTtZucQZe/

Thanks for Your Time ...

I've looked at both sides of the spectrum, and both sides agree that bacteriophages exist, and can be isolated (bacteriophages are viruses are specifically infect bacteria and archaea). Those that disagree in the existence of human viruses argue that the process of isolation is flawed because it often relies on indirect methods of detecting the virus, such as observing changes in host cells or using PCR techniques to amplify viral genetic material. They claim that this indirect evidence does not constitute true isolation because it does not involve physically separating the virus from other cellular or environmental components. For instance, if someone has a bacterial infection, everyone will agree that that person is highly contagious. History has taught us this to be true; the plague was caused by the bacterium, Yersinia pestis; it was so contagious that it nearly killed half the European population. Today we have a defined procedure that enables us to isolate and kill it. In fact, anyone who comes in contact with Y. pestis will get infected (say 9 times out of 10). However, if you're around someone with a "viral infection", chances are that same sickness will not spread to you. This is has lead to a lot of skepticism worldwide, doubting whether vaccines are even real or required.

Interesting comment Woo ... as I can grasp culture-based-isolation of viruses is what is standard for detection, but what can be utmost misleading whether the virus is organism or some other emergence, simply coz if cant be isolated as organism but detected only by cell genomics then we are guessing its word for virus invader but actually it could be as well other possibility!?, and if this logic is substantial then PCR testing is also ultra vague technique for measuring the amount of distribution of some virus!?, aside that how is arranged defacto it can lead to certain false negative or false positive results if the air in the lab is polluted!?

I really find amazing how so science can be skewed so particular theory would become mainstream, tho in this case cant grasp why such persistence (that viruses are real organism) would be case!?, and wonder if this is disproved officially would that affect the germ theory i.e. would this anyhow impact the current medicine from diagnostics till treatments, or how that can have impact on big'pharma'profit, or even whole economy if we know that eventual acknowledgement that germ theory is adacta could stir panic while in same time is not postulated certain effective alternative theory!?, yet being slave to wrong alchemy is indeed wrong by large magnitude, just wonder till when!?

Must admit here I am projecting wrongness, and btw I am nor MD nor Biologists, thus dont take my assertions anyhow from position of authority, tho I do encourage You find will to research the proposed logic that in my opinion has more than grain of truth!, yet would like to hear debunking of it coz I've never seen any debate among pro and contra scientists on the matter!, what Woo has stated is indeed interesting and how at least on that take the ardent mainstreamers would respond!

Exactly, but I don't think virus deniers disagree with the germ theory completely, just the part regarding viruses. They believe that when you "catch a cold", it is not a viral particle that entered your body, but instead products of the body's response to environmental and lifestyle factors, such as toxins found in water and food, chemical products, radiation, etc. Thus, symptoms of the flu or cold is just your body's way of cleansing itself from these dangerous accumulated waste over time.

I think it would be wise to read the first study to successfully isolate a virus from mammalian tissue, published back in 1933. The study describes the isolation and cultivation of the virus responsible for causing polio. Since then the technique for isolation has been refined. The citation for the paper is:

Rivers, T.M., Schwentker, F.F., and Gates, H.F. (1933). "Experimental Poliomyelitis in Monkeys: I. The Clinical Response of Monkeys to Nasal Instillation of Virus Suspensions." Science, vol. 78, no. 2037, pp. 270-271.

The closest I got to finding it online was this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2133511/pdf/687.pdf

Hi Woo

I've check multiple sources. It isn't referenced, nor accessible

@Woo interesting suggestion primary coz just right after are reported lab injuries as if before the researchers were not aware about it!? https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/914706_3

Somehow this detection by culture'based'isolation is just marker that something is happening but it could be due to other reasons than viruses as separate organisms, maybe viruses are just message intrusion in the cells as kind of info printed by ribosomes!?, in reality when we cant isolate something as separate organism then we cant say exists as separate but probably is part of some greater system of the cell that is still not known to us as biology ...

I do find amazing that Biology is still deaf about Bioresonance as crucial mechanism of regulating the cell processes i.e. how by natural or artificial radiation on various bandwidths can be passes info in and from our bodies what is eg. factor for reshaping our organism, I could argue that viruses are maybe intermediators as info-valve maybe as bioresonance mediator among our bodies and the environment!?

Woo is off by a few decades

Here's what you're looking for :)

* https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13022978/ (one of several publications from the same authors)
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2599384/ (review of those publications)

The techniques outlined here for isolating viruses in tissue culture believe it or not are still widely used today in virology research. The authors even won a Nobel prize for it. WHile it may be helpful to know the origins of the technique, I've also included a revised protocol in the attachment for comparison. I will try reading the original sometime tomorrow, and give my input. MY heart is pounding thinking about what it could possibly mean to my understanding of viruses!

@duddy Thanks for Your time but I dont see in the proposed links denovo isolation of a virus, culture based genomic detection is not defacto isolation in full sense of the word nor we can say  that viruses are separate organism if we can have them alone as not rarely are pictured while explained as supposed "potential" organism ...

Here are few ontopic thoughts that are not per'se mine understanding, but just like in the first post linked theories give another alternative idea on the issue ...

https://www.lse.ac.uk/philosophy/blog/2020/07/06/a-virus-is-not-a-thing-1/ (https://archive.is/ytdGO#selection-1385.11-1440.0)

https://www.lse.ac.uk/philosophy/blog/2020/07/22/a-virus-is-not-a-thing-2/

https://www.lse.ac.uk/philosophy/blog/2020/08/25/a-virus-is-not-a-thing-3/

Post Merge: A year ago

I do find troubling how Biology (tho as a matter of fact the bulk of mainstream scientific realm) instead to be open constantly for revision and having high skepticism regarding the mainstream theories yet on contrary is behaving as if is word for dogmatic science that is heresy is anyhow is challenged and upon that challenge didnt came acclamation from above (i.e. edu cauldron of magisters) but in my opinion what actually as process of wrong elitism actually is enslaved by the fears of the capitalist medicine as system that now on large hand along pharmacology rests its practice exactly on the established germ theory, and not that should be problem any questioning of the same by whatever means if indeed is undisputed truth the same, but I have notion that exactly coz its more and more obvious that the current bio dogmas are in vacuum how time goes by so its getting more and more obvious the suppression of any alternative voice!, just not sure whether this hysteria is primary due to fears that such can hurt the current system per'se ~ or in question is greater fears (of the transhumanist elites) that any questioning of the current dogmas are opening gap to be revised the current genetic&bionic revolution trends and like that as medicine so as pharmacology tied to greater bioethical momentum ~ that for me now is one fine dilemma hm maybe both or even more piled fears are restraining the academia to open room for constant debate and revisions or postrevisions of the current scientific dogmas!?, anyway at least as shame revisions are starting to pop up here and there waiting now maybe on chatbots for further derailing by the zero'programer so would be secured the mainstream narrative!?

Hm, Lets Hope we will not end up in cyborgs and/or chimeras before the wrong exploited theories in Biology are revisited!, kudos to all that are finding will to question the wrong humanist dogmatics!, must admit I was as all the rest indoctrinated by the germ hype [1 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-7863848)] but now more and more leaving room that maybe we are all manipulated by wrong bioscience coz whatever wrong trend among magisters!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V5QJVuHaC4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtMo7r5e7Gg

Post Merge: A year ago

When shared the previous two postrevisionists, probably is useful to point proposition of dr. Thomas Cowan from the first video above [1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cowan_(alternative_medicine_practitioner))][1 (https://youtu.be/0V5QJVuHaC4?t=3407)][1 (https://archive.ph/4ysKw#selection-10319.0-10373.33)] that is kind of explanation about Bioresonance [2 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-7185.186-7185.224)][2 (https://archive.is/GAJDf#selection-1749.60-1749.123)]~~[2 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=bioresonance)]~[2 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/quackcinating-mosquitos-a-litany/8171/18)][2 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-4125.83-4125.145)][2 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/post-1666683)][2 (https://archive.ph/CW19v#selection-3775.1-3777.1)] the question is how the same to become ever understood in Biology if it is dismissed by Physics and Chemistry so the problem for postulating new paradigm shift is multidisciplinary, and hm maybe is mastered by someone already but is kept in bunker coz its risk as ultimate novine to disrupt as the current economic order so as the eugenicist if not malthusian lusts of some wrong euroatlantic determinists, so would not digress too much around the reasons why bioscience is intentionally kept as whole in moldy jar, I'll just point if and when it will came time for revisions and postrevisioning the current peer'review'process needs to be reestablished again coz now as dr. Andrew G Huff points is rigged till unbelief [3 (https://archive.is/T2XzP#selection-1825.161-1825.329)]] what in essence is stalling even regular tweaks of the prevailing therapies [4 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/vitamin-cure-for-alcoholism.127448/)] what about cheap and easy novel healing with stem cells [5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLPnHiJD8BI)]][5 (https://archive.is/x530Y#selection-12633.0-12645.188)]] that logically as such are extra treat to the current profit'based'medicine if not eugenics [6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryzIeTFu2IM&t=3257s)][6 (https://archive.is/mRU73#selection-2399.0-2399.97)][6 (https://archive.is/k0Rk9#selection-239.0-239.1)] 

I think that is the case for a lot of scientific fields, most especially second to biology being physics (research on blackholes for example). Scientists that speak up are accused of heresy if they even question the validity of an accepted process. I think everyone is afraid not to overstep someone that is more experienced or smarter than they are. As Abraham Lincoln once said, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" - I think that holds true with what you're saying. I was heavily chastised for criticizing the use of sanitizers becoming mainstream in daily use. In my immunology years, we learned how sanitizers artificially select for the evolution of superbugs, yet during the COVID years, everyone was lathering their hands with that stuff, and many continue to do so. Interestingly, we haven't heard of any superbug outbreaks since COVID, so maybe this notion of artificial selection has its limits too perhaps. Dr. Thomas Cowan was the first one to open my eyes to virology not being what we all thought it was, leading me to turn my back on questionable biological findings related to the unseen. I'll being reviewing the documents I uploaded shortly, I just need some time to read and disgust it.

duddy Thanks for the response ... nice to hear that scientific community is broadminded ... I do Hope we will see constant debate among pro and contra scientists about discrepancies in the theories ...

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Also ... Sorry for those two last yt videos dont know why are shown as tagged altho posted as footnote, now looks as if the same are somehow crucial but actually just footnoted digressions ... also dont know why there is not edit option on my posts when are stacked like this one in another!?

The problem I face with these ideas is that if viruses don't exist, then what have we been researching all these years regarding HIV, hepatitis, the flu virus, etc...?

I'll went quite offtopic so would answer the previous dilemma coz it would be really shallow to throw simplistic answer like it is as it is coz academia accepted how accepted some narrative as fix and got stuck in its "wrong" trap, altho it would be easier to put all the "wrongness" as imposed direction for blind scientific following on one band like eugenicists!, but saying that the nephews are wrong coz their inherited stamina that would be also wrong!, and maybe eugenics played kind of stirring role in virology too [1 (https://archive.ph/i65ev#selection-243.0-243.9)][1 (https://academic.oup.com/book/25972/chapter-abstract/193780959?redirectedFrom=fulltext)] at least coz some rudimental superman bioprograming lusts (if not depop means too!?), tho I cant prove such assumption but eventually to chase earlier correlation, yet knowing that eugenics was wide trend back then then such correlating could get lost in the noise if not explored systematically and proved more factually, simply I dont want to claim certainty in this context coz havent explored the issue, as I can eg. in context of the next paragraph assertions ...

Probably the hardest thing is after whole century imposed exceptionalism and blind acceptance now with ease the mainstream science to step back and say nah we were wrong, hm cant imagine how that will be welcomed by the masses that have put not just their money but also health and above all belief in the system that supposedly was errorless as scientific altho defacto as always plutocratic even mids sciences, what if happens think it will be questioned also the pride of humanism as base for any eventual future technocracy ((which actually will evolve in "scientific dictatorship" which will rests foremost on the exceptionalism of humanism (however wrong it was [2 (https://archive.is/zlMki#selection-5223.304-5223.352)][2 (https://archive.is/zlMki#selection-2059.176-2059.227)][2 (https://archive.is/zlMki#selection-9633.859-9633.914)])) thus saying now anyhow that the system of "science above all" was wrong would be suicide from ideological perspective regarding "their" new'world'order (here I talk about euroatlantic'determinist'elites that simply misused science as vehicle towards "their" inherited utopian lusts for superhumanity and heaven'on'earth [2 (https://archive.ph/Nwahu#selection-2367.50-2367.93)][2 (https://archive.is/Kwjvb#selection-3317.3-3319.1)][2 (https://archive.is/zlMki#selection-2493.1243-2493.1442)]) even it was indeed debunked "their" wrong persistence to fund push and secure particular "wrong" alchemic trends ~ what to the normal mind looks just as mythological mambo jambo yet for "them" is the utmost important driving force behind the scenes which (sadly coz we are all hostages to it at the moment) is pushing "them" constantly on "wrong" tracks where by wrong means "they" are stubbornly imposing "their" scientific dogmas!

On what probably many would say that if so, then predominantly coz lucrative reasons is kept some narrative alive, and the rest theories just coz that pushed aside if not buried alive, still to expect that such conspy endeavor would be rigged solely coz money by those who actually as ea'determinist'elites hold the euroatlantic vaults&financial'gambling'house that would be think more than shallow logic!, simply for "them" what counts are "their" ideals which if we know that "they" are neopagans will do whatever takes to keep dreaming "their" wrong exceptionalism till embodiment of "their" utopia, somehow I sense "they" are ready to went till extremes even that meant collapse of our civilization as we know it!, aside that "they" have real implanted inherited malthusian fears in "their" heads that dont allow "them" to leave Science to work for betterment of the Mankind coz that would mean longevity for the "useless eaters" on top secured population growth and independence from "their" shackles!, So even if someone has will to stir change or bring more true understanding in some science especially in Biology think that someone was is and will be sabotaged up until "they" are in control of the valves in the euroatlantic realm!. I mean after few centuries manufactured humanism with particular utopian purpose now the same to open room for debunking that would be hm too big to fail thing not just for "them" as ea'determinist'elites but also for many that as scientists got indoctrinated by "their" edu system as elites [3 (https://archive.ph/eSMyr#selection-7705.185-7705.242)][3 (https://gizadeathstar.com/2023/04/technecromancy/)] so most probably we will see further skewing and derailing so the current humanist narrative would survive and "someone" trial&error its chances till n'w'o and superhumanity somehow we are witnessing kind of second chance after ww2 for some ea'determinists to dream out "their" utopian nightmares of ideals!
 

(continuation on my previous post) Hm, probably pride is prominent trap for every Soul that has high esteem for itself, and if that is case with mediocre politicians then how much more are consumed by it scientists that once declare how their position is exceptional till dogmatism then its easily understandable how so some trend or theory is becoming even cult!, eg. darwinism or from it eugenics or social darwinism etc. alike isms that now are seen as undisputable truths in the natural sciences!, and maybe when this is assert by someone like me who is not scientist it will sound like some prejudice coz per'se I have utmost opposite mindset as Christian in contrast to the humanistic reductionism (altho I dont exercise some hate or animosity towards science as will for exploring and innovation yet I do condemn the bullying of humanist devotees upon all the rest with "their" esoteric philosophy and alchemic empiricism as essence of "their" appearance that reached even level of religion [1 (https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Religion-of-Secular-Humanism)][1 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=humanism%20%40Pelister%20order%3Alatest)] practically humanism is deist hype of rosicrucians as neopagans that saw science as mean for apotheosis [2 (https://archive.is/PyZPK#selection-371.0-371.420)][2 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=apotheosis%20%40Pelister%20order%3Alatest)][2 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=deis%20%40Pelister%20order%3Alatest)]) but when some scientist will throw check and balance to its specialization and label some mainstream theory as quackery then the things are starting to sound compelling for revisionism, but who to provoke wide public (preferably constant) eforum debate where as pro and contra scientists will confront own understanding ...

I'll propose few examples that somehow are in touch with virology like treating cancer by diet [3 (https://archive.ph/fbSYi#selection-1541.0-1547.35)][3 (https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/starving-cancer-is-not-a-good-way-to-treat-it-despite-what-the-internet-says/)] to what I'll say similarly most of the viruses cant live in alkaline environment yet balancing the blood ph ratio is not even considered as prevention what about treatment for fighting viruses practically the funding of such studies and like that stimulating also the alternative theories is adacta as if defacto the current mainstream theories are ultimate approach, the same is issue with CBD too when viruses are in question [4 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5413050#msg5413050)] but stil as noone cares even about the choice for therapy as eg. Natural CBD vs artificial m'rna vaccine, as if we are condemned to kneel to someones scientific dictatorship even now mids democracy what about later mids eventual technocracy!?, hm maybe then will be revealed that electrical charge do have crucial effect on our wellbeing and that the current electromagnetic pollution is actually overburdening our bodies till collapse of the immunity, what is norm with 5g yet intentionally skewed as regulation coz "someones" higher cause altho even the studies prove the harmful effects [5 (https://archive.is/LdIGa#selection-1799.1-1833.206)] but what will be even more accented if is at least considered as possibility of seeing blood as charged gel instead pressurized chemical fluid as reductionist humanistic mind imposed to all that is case [6 (https://archive.ph/mdpKM#selection-2487.19-2631.5)][6 (https://archive.ph/RKYcx#selection-1523.0-1567.39)] simply we need paradigm shift around the envy the pride or the indifference of the scientific elites towards any alternative theory to their mainstream trends which even were on right path still it could be broadened as understanding as I am not rarely know to say we live mids half'truths if not fallacies coz accepted someones wrong exceptionalism as ultimate truth instead constantly to keep the skepticism high knowing how even now we dont understood fully all processes in the cell [7 (https://archive.ph/nDxQw#selection-4881.0-4929.11)][7 (https://archive.is/ylR74#selection-7027.0-7035.251)][7 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jev2.12144)] nor how Life comes to being (dont have theory of Life) i.e. know maybe the mechanisms but have no idea from where why and what is the essence  [8 (https://youtu.be/ec0G3_vzxqI?t=2130)] tho I’ll argue that dont have complete idea even about the mechanism knowing how bioresonance is not even accounted, So how and why we are convinced that the current mainstream trends are ultimate truth altho defacto not rarely lucrative medical or pharmacological spin that in my opinion suits "someones" eugenic or malthusian lusts!

Again who am I to question "their" exceptionalism yet it comforts me when I'll hear about someone from the academia that is questioning "their" wrong scientific dogmatism, altho the next example is doing that in context of physics per'se and probably coz acquaintance with vedic spirituality similarly as Nikola Tesla was ridiculing einsteinians also dr. Wolfgang Smith is doing the same in similar manner when refuting "their" exceptionalism [9 (https://archive.ph/oUmlO#selection-4433.32-4523.25)] and altho I am not embracing as Christian anyhow the vedic tradition (simply it got polluted till demonology how astray from Monotheism) still as scientist I'll use him as example so would bring close the notion that scientific dogmatism as vice is recognized by many in the current predominantly by reductionist mechanistic humanist shaped academia waiting to shift in its neopagan mode once Christianity is removed from the scene at least "they've" hope that will be case altho even without such reality as we can see transhumanism as step towards apotheosis through "their" ahriman is again pushed on small door while we all stear in disbelief how was coerced by plandemix and through m'rna jabs wide path towards genetic&bionic revolution, sudenly xman is not anymore supersoldier hype but vast trial&error skim for chasing supercitizen [10 (https://archive.is/H1RcX#selection-353.8-389.16)][10 (https://archive.is/eSMyr#selection-7371.0-7371.119)]~[10 (https://archive.is/T6wql#selection-249.1-265.129)][10 (https://archive.is/zlMki#selection-5565.2-5565.142)]~[10 (https://archive.is/AXXRN)][10 (https://archive.is/iuzBK#selection-1293.0-1293.554)] btw I'll digress so would point that we can all have different point of view even when have similar understanding that humanists are wrong eg. in context of his notion that sins dont exist in the vedic tradition hm think maybe he is not quite right i.e. where the judgement for the lusts is immediate as lower reincarnation so even scarier altho as esotery far from the Truth if we know that nor Angels can become Man nor we Animals yet as motivation for Salvation it could be seen reincarnation kind of penological concept that tho wrongly became cult [11 (https://archive.ph/36jwh#selection-2015.23-2287.29)][11 (https://archive.is/kWtCd)][11 (https://www.youtube.com/@JayDyer/search?query=hinduism)] also about neoplatonism I have different position too [12 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-6961.1188-6961.1373)] So this opposite understanding of mine example points that till we see some paradigm shift there will be various revisions surely, probably catholic scholastics will rejump too surely taoistic physics also etc. etc. attempt to reintroduce merger of different than the humanistic merger of alchemic physics and metaphysics!?, and its question whether will be resolved any eventual dispute mids such paradigm shift as fast as we suppose, yeah many believe a.i. will speed up the process, hm, if the input is wrong so it will be the revisions too!, simply humanism is for one century imposed as scientific dogmatism and few centuries shaped as alchemic inertia since renaissance era reaching crescendo in the enlightenment when took the lead from scholastics on the european universities i.e. actually when neopagan scientists removed the catholic one from the scientific scene So to expect that now that very same spirit after few centuries trending will evaporate without any objection that is hm too good to be true nomatter how wrong it is in its core, simply it will hit survival mode if not else, but what will survive from it it depends whether we will be cornered ahead by totalitarian western technocracy or we will see Open Democratic System, in essence once the western financial casino will collapse who will have the will to finance further expensive research of the current wrong eg. oncology etc. etc. wrong mechanistic lobotomy! On other hand if focus bit more dr.WolfgangS sounds to me like rosicrucian while now we are seeing bad cop good cop scenery coz its obvious that "their" reductionist band failed to bring safe shift towards "their" neopagan deist apotheosis so through second chance maybe to be opened door for new trials&errors now by holistic medicine recipe!?, hm dont mind my paranoia reflex, simply when one will wake up from "their" hijack of our societies and life as superwrong but ultraexceptional scientific authoritarianism waiting to shift in totalitarian technocratic deist chase for xman its normal to be careful what from whom is served!

If the virus is not a live thing i.e. is not anyhow organism but indeed exist (as observed existence in the cell [1 (https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Researchers_use_GFP_FRET_to_image_single_HIV-1/a34408)][1 (https://www.photonics.com/Articles/Imaging_Technology_Could_Unlock_Mysteries_of_a/a55616)]) as I speculate maybe kind of mediator of all the info as from the organism (rna) so as from the environment (bioresonance) then we need completely different workaround virology, altho many would like to dismiss it completely as emergence [2 (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_virus82.htm)][2 (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_virus52.htm)][2 (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_coronavirus493.htm)] yet to claim there is no other intrusion in the organism except bacteria or toxins is hm also exceptionalist approach i.e. we need first wide and long debate before such claim becomes fact, yet now we dont have it anyhow as dialog among pro and contra scientists ideally on some thematic virology eforum where experts 24/7 would debate any eventual revision of virology!, but who to pull out such eforum, hm so would be independent unbiased space probably some medical ngo that embraces alternative theories too altho not per'se alternative, good luck finding it, yet think in South Korea it could be traced some coz as I am aware there the traditional medicine is researched in parallel along the modern in universities ~ at least as potential knowhow when chasing cures for health issues ...

One interesting point in support of my thesis that viruses are info link can be found in the theory of Luis P. Villarreal (Emer. Professor at the Center for Virus Research and Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry at the University of California, Irvine) [3 (https://archive.ph/LQuTA#selection-1843.23-1987.15)][3 (https://archive.ph/4Co54#selection-1437.33-1911.5)][3 (https://archive.ph/tCvTC#selection-1039.0-1039.9)][3 (https://academictree.org/microbiology/publications.php?pid=506724)] who assumes that the prime link from rna to cells were viruses i.e. he dont see them per'se as intruders but parser protein (as I can grasp and interpret [4 (https://www.techtarget.com/searchapparchitecture/definition/parser#:~:text=A%20parser%20is%20a%20program%20that%20is%20part%20of%20the,other%20software%20can%20understand%20it.)]) what gives completely different perspective how should be approached viruses tho not sure how is accepted his theory or whether at all is postulated as work or is stil on level of idea [5 (https://archive.ph/R4FKP#selection-2131.0-2287.27)][5 (https://youtu.be/AeUB4VrEow4?t=722)] and in context of this documentary I find really troubling how modern eugenicists are indeed trying now to reach xman reality i.e. chasing superhuman through vaccination, if there is enough large pool of constantly vaxed (coz fear of manufactured pandemix) then it could be constantly experimented on various control groups coz various needs [[urlhttps://youtu.be/RX7gwDGYgzs?t=2096=]6[/url]][6 (https://archive.ph/R4FKP#selection-4521.23-4919.16)] now just dont tell me that for "them" bioethics matters, simply for "them" we as useless eaters we are per'se statistical error mids "their" rush for utopia. also seeing this assertion as conspiracy and stubbornly believing that such elite dont exist or dont control all the scientific valves on west it would be mistake that will cost Mankind more than living horror ahead, risk that ask every scientist to requestion its call and how is becoming part of "their" system, Kudos to dr. Robert Malone for his bravery to step up and shout stop this madness in "name'of'science" i.e. pushing on small door by coercion and trickery through the past plandemix an bionic&genetic revolution upon all world, what once proved deadly by large margin coz the faulty virusology and to it even faultier m'rna jabs it was gaslighted by the ukrainian crisis (as prematurely rolled geopolitical move just so would be derailed attention from the too big to fail m'rna ideal for tweaking superhumanity!) practically now how things are thrown under rug it could easily rebounce the same skim mids any next "pandemic" so the covert hype with the bionic&genetic revolution would continue!, now I would like to be wrong and these loud fears of mine to be just assumption but too many times was proven that for bioethical or ecoethical side of the western system is just cardbox facade for calming any eventual hesitancy in the masses!

So I cant claim with certainty how much virology is now in vacuum, but I can say it will get even further in deep wrong space if by exceptionalism is kept dogmatic by the 19th century eugenic logicism!, still it could be sensed change on the horizon altho its open question how elites will twist the current theory so would not admit complete disbandment of all the work however as wrong was pilled for century and a half!?, hm who knows with enough agitprop anything can pass, but even that becomes case its question again whether critical thinking will be allowed what about stimulated on universities eg. that "At least 9% of our DNA, our genome comes from retroviruses!" (Mindestens 9% unserer DNA, unseres Erbgutes stammen von Retroviren!) [7 (https://archive.is/p9E2p#selection-6541.0-6556.0)] or that the microbiome will get fine if we forget on chemical patched and instead focus on healthy stress~free and positive~thought lifestyle when what will matter is not how to hunt the lion but to make him friend [8 (https://principia-scientific.com/why-viruses-happen-annually-how-they-dissolve/)] [8 (https://virusesarenotcontagious.com)] hm go make starving lion friend :) so not that I am certain what is the true approach ahead but to push the very same germ dogma along virus-vaccine mantra that think would be ultra extra super wrong coz the same will be further expanded on steroids by a.i. simulations the very same that spewed the recipe for the last m'rna jab for sars'cov'2 tho I havent heard any at least talkshow where is mentioned this i.e. how wrong we can get while using supercomputers and superprograms for managing directions upon wrong input of virus theory, on top all that spice with bionic skim like IoB link to the lab (through the graphene oxide) maybe so would be easily monitored invivo the change on cellular level from the artificial m'rna programing biorevolution, yeah we've witnessed debacle of coerced biotech as normal next level of shift from humanism towards transhumanism and still noone in the academia has raised his voice as educational institution (with due respect to the lonely few) as if we are just waiting the next big spin as opportunity to see the skim retried coz yeah the same is tied to "their" great'reset and merge between biotech and fintech realm as "they" say coz longevity and sustainability (read superhumanity and n'w'o heaven'on'earth) [9 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/on-economy-past-current-future/12534/26?u=pelister)]

So will we further follow "their" stupid exceptionalism or will wake up and start enmasse debating about all "their" wrong theories policies and plans!?, what think is doable through eTOS vibe but somehow as if all are waiting on "them" to bring debating infrastructure as to the academia so as to the masses while in meantime tilting on made for trivialization social networks!, also apologies to all that scientists that somehow are seeing themselves bashed by my reasoning, I am generalizing just in context of humanism and its roots i.e. how the same is seen as undisputed truth that is freedom and knowledge parexcellence while actually wrongly imposed and projected liberation and knowhow from the supposedly dark mindset of Christianity what actually in the enlightenment era by wrong system of metaphysic brought wrong physics and that trapped Mankind in even greater vortex of exploitation and totalitarianism than in feudalism!, still if wasnt for the exceptionalism of the neopagans think it could had have been reached some normal pace of progress instead the same constantly to be pushed on steroids and like that bringing far more misery than betterment for Mankind, I mean how so still artificial sweeteners are industrial norm altho live menace if we say that science and democracy were rightfully managed!?, for psychiatric drugs or chemotherapy as rule of thumb in all cases not to talk about etc. etc. wrong by default approaches of medicine!

Thank you for your perspective. You have presented a lot of great arguments and ideas that are strongly debatable. I hate to admit it but my expertise in viruses only extends from what I read in textbooks. The existence of viruses in general is also a relatively new concept (nearly 70 years since the first supposed isolation of polio). I am no expert in this field, but as stated in this article (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia3/ciencia_virus82.htm), I have also speculated the same idea, that is, viruses may only be cellular debris consisting of DNA/RNA that is potentially infectious given the nature of RNA and what our cells do with it. Because everyone has a unique genetic makeup, the debris excreted from one person will obviously be different from another person's cellular excretion, and thus it's technically impossible to get a consistent isolate.

Glad to see that more and more Scientists are open for questioning the current virus dogma, but think it will take extra effort so the academia officially would change its stamina what about big'pharma to turn away from the profit that can be milked not just from vaccination but through it biotech kickoff what eventually now how many are programmed their bodies to print artificial virus like sars'cov'2 will for sure open door for further artificial patching, not sure just if DoD care for this segment coz for them was the opportunity for panopticon catalogization by full jabbed population, yet think "somone" pushed the superhumanity glitch too, not sure whether DoD is in this part too, but logically every crucial revolution is supervised and stirred by military especially when we need to see merge between biotech and fintech!, So its really question whether we will see crucial stepback from the current vaccine trends and virology dogmas, tho potentially if eventual collapse of the euroatlantic globalist narrative becomes reality that Hope will be case for sure!

What I find troubling is that till now was certain that with Zinc could be attacked eg. sars'cov'2 [1 (https://archive.ph/nNLHo#selection-903.0-903.112)][1 (https://archive.is/MZsxk)][1 (https://archive.is/L5Xer#selection-1207.1-1207.98)] altho as understanding derived as observer of others knowhow that tho how is not completely shared around the risks eg. of too much zinc intake and disbalance with copper it could be more harmful than useful knowledge [2 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/page-3#post-7850197)] yet now I am not sure how to grasp this proposition in light of virology went wrong!, definitely not just virology that will be at revision but also all complementary interactions that till now were researched or reasoned in context of viruses as intruders instead cell (mediator) mechanism, about what I'll immediately raise the question how oligoelements and vitamins can stimulate or block such mechanism if the cells are disturbed by electromagnetic pollution, almost as if we are in front of whole new science but who how when to provoke interest in it!?, or maybe already have but keeps quiet waiting the current economic model to pass [3 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=2054825.0)] so would reveal eventual knowhow about bioresonance, altho in same time I am afraid what if neopagan deist eugenicists plot transhumanism by any means!?, will we be lucky to evade "their" exceptionalism of bionic&genetic revolution along all trial&error will of "theirs"!?, isnt time Scientist to start exposing "their" true game!?, till when we will be kept in conspy hype like nothing wrong is happening altho it is!?

When throwing all kind of assumptions and ideas it would be useful maybe to point to another provocative way of balancing our microbiom, what if by me is mostly seen as doable by blood ph balance (the 1st footnote) +- stressfree will [4 (https://archive.is/SFJVS#selection-4807.127-4807.169)] there is also one strange alternative hype that hm looks in same time scary but also potentially promising at least in its external form i.e. rubbing from skin diluted h2o2 (hydrogen peroxide) that like that would be absorbed by the organism [5 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/FCL0qpAlI1ap/)][5 (https://fullfact.org/health/hydrogen-peroxide-cancer-treatment/)]~[5 (https://medicine.uiowa.edu/content/hydrogen-peroxide-producing-drug-boosts-cancer-killing-effect-radiotherapy)][5 (https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/blue-light-therapy-mrsa-treatment/)] tho there is some soviet info for direct drinking approach [6 (https://archive.is/vRjWo)][6 (https://archive.is/VVRdJ)]~[6 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Neumyvakin)][6 (https://archive.is/jYfR1)] what if not done by expert oversight as is eg. this ex-roskosmos-vrach think could be devastating for the good bacteria in the gut thus would not recommend anyhow drinking diluted h2o2 on own hand, actually the point from the 5th footnotes that the skin will absorb it think is more effective method tho as clueless obeserver around this info can say just trial&error is always better to be done only if in utmost despair thus ready to try not standardized medical methods so would reverse certain death  circumstances!

Now maybe it would be from help if it is pushed constant pressure on virology thus different alternative methods to become considered as possible approach for revitalizing the immunity than all medicine to be hostage to vaccines but who should how push such pressure, hek even if it was present is buried and eventually now resurfacing on alternative video platforms [7 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/zLuodh0KgT3C/)] altho it would be really nice if it is put some global effort by some Virology Revision eForum to be compacted various info from all sides ...

What I find further interesting is that Virology is actually not fully secured in its theories altho sold as completed understanding, especially coz the hype for mandatory vaxing as supposedly secure way for longevity even tho everything that the euroatlantic determinists as western elites support promote and championed as agenda is towards managing population growth globally at least in "their" whitepapers are not at all hidden the malthusian fears "what with all those broilers!?" thus what the odds that such elites would stimulate health and longevity for the masses!?, thus why to assume that we will ever see focus on true demystification of virology!?, altho some blinks of freethinking exists still its really question whether those will be promoted and through them to be risked removing of vaxing as sure shot from the scene!?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056934/ (https://archive.is/dxCPE#selection-891.0-896.0)

Also before someone jump in that this is our only way out from any pandemic, I'll say there is but defacto is suppressed, what would be in my opinion Immunization by CBD [1 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5414362#msg5414362)] and probably till we dont see massive pressure around resolving the current projected knowhow about  viruses, virions, viroids, virusoids and prions till then logically the focus will be stirred towards vaxing!, are there transhumanist risks now like that, hm I'll not act paranoid android but will say be careful Eugene with that Axe!, what will be especially problematic for evading mids eventual scientific technocratic dictatorship ahead [2 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=2054825.0)] ha I feel like virus mids virology!, tho just passing info that its time has come nothing else!

Defacto an thesis became by imposed consent theory, but however impossible this sounds when the invisible college will say it is as it is normally most will conform, especially when superhumanity is the aim of "their" game towards deist apotheosis, altho its really hilarious how the same narrative survived even the post ww2 literacy levels!, as if mengele&co infiltrated nih (hm maybe just joined "their" "heirs" [1 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-8217577)][1 (https://archive.is/99Zso#selection-2355.853-2367.125)]) just not sure was the prime motive for "research" still chase for x-man or it became germ warfare [1 (https://archive.is/9UFoP#selection-807.5282-807.5496)][1 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-2437.1178-2505.143)] disclaimer dont judge blindly some nation as genocidal but try to understand that particular elites are those who are misusing all that got enslaved or blinded by "them", actually elites that were waging such warfare since middle ages [1 (https://archive.is/dc1e6#selection-485.0-525.1)][1 (https://archive.is/qS1U1#selection-1517.0-1517.399)] and altho there is tendency this corner of the mosaic to be avoided as examination by many still think maybe is crucial why even after ww2 the very same virus as invider theory is kept alive i.e. coz militaries seen it as probable risk or opportunity logically the academia was aligned on the go even there were Scientist who would declare virology as we know it as wrong theory!, but who can withstand opposing eg. DoD and its programs [2 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/post-1666001)]2 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/covid19-manufactured-in-usa-claim-china.240721/post-7840466)][2 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/V3U7mJxZp6tM/)] hm how just super'relieving sounds like this germ warfare as ineffective like aerosol contagion!, altho as we can see it can be always disseminated by bugs or maybe chemtrailed!?, and however conspy these claims sound still think its worthy to be mentioned in context of this thread, yep fear dont need to consume us till hypochondria, altho we need to be aware that as junky food lifestyle we are exposed to various risks even from regular tap water, tho probably stress is our greatest enemy for crippled immunity and like that indirectly all kind of illnesses!

Hm, I am really not sure how comforting is further bashing of virology now when in the equation is brought military variable!, simply how we can be sure that in some mil.lab cant be produced xenobots with disease vector potential [3 (https://archive.is/rEYX0#selection-969.26-969.122)][3 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-7809.455-7809.476)] i.e. how to say with certainty that synthetic biology could not weaponize some airborne transmissive particles shareable also as aerosols by coughing!?, so it would be not wise completely to relax!, in my opinion knowing what time it is ideally now all should have strong motivation for Soul Salvation and Life After Death, but how if blinded for the Eternity of Existence of Our Souls!?, aside that like that at least You will cope more easily with the fears thus no hysterical stress around and as consequence strong immunity for granted (if indeed stress is immunity killer [4 (https://archive.is/m80AX#selection-1695.218-1695.235)]) altho I'll witness from experience do invest at least once a weak some time for Liturgy so would harness Calmness Peace and Salvation and dont forget You will not open Your Soul for understanding of the Spiritual World anyhow else but by dipping in and fencing with Grace what is foremost doable by Prayers altho trying to understand metaphysics by brain instead heart is also maybe inviting but Theory should go along Praxis stil do seek for guidance coz by own logicism could only choke in wrongly understanding and interpretations!, altho not always can be found ideal translator especially problematic that will be appealing for the modern loosen mind ~ tho with some exceptions here and there that with Blessing are trying to give a hand to the blinded Souls by reductionism humanism decadence atheism and alike defocusing traps for the Soul, tho differ what is Homeboy and what Church Theologian [5 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=JayD%20%20%20order%3Alatest)][5 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-6799.1289-6799.1426)]

Still defacto viruses are not what are considered to be!, and here is interesting contributing mainstream thought that further supports this logic i.e. according to the virologist Vincent R. Racaniello "Unfortunately, there is no universally accepted definitions for the terms “strain”, “variant” and “isolate”, in the virology community, and most virologists simply copy the usage of terms from others. Most of the time we take this nasopharyngeal swab in the solution, we just do the genome sequence, and we don't actually have a physical isolate virus and that's very important. [6 (https://archive.ph/Y03cZ#selection-243.0-243.9)][6 (https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/the-truth-about-virus-isolation-%F0%9F%A4%AB:f?t=179)] So Maybe The Time Has Come Science To Find Will For Revision Of Virology but how if eugenics is still norm in "some" euroatlantic deterministic heads!?, even more "they" are afraid that China can surprass "them" in the bionic&genetic revolution and reach superhuman level before "them" thus "they" are pushing without any shame openly inertia towards transhumanism!, so how in such circumstances we will see particular paradigm shift, simply even as possibility the same could be risk for the exceptionalism of humanism that is seen as authority which need to be base for "their" technocracy if not else thus any rocking of the boat now is seen by "them" probably as risk beyond imagination!?, still how "they" will keep a lie further alive if its becoming obvious even to the academia that is misused for "someones" wrong ideals!?, can "they" silence all scientists even when willing to debate!?, think not!. altho fears enough motivating for "them" (among all the other to "their" exceptionalism) to provoke if not else controlled ordo'ab'chao scenario so would keep in hand the western realm!?, altho I Hope my observation is mistaken!

One way for finding will is by law pressure, altho that would be slow painful process eg. dr. Lanka since '90s pressured against mandatory vaccination for measles virus yet that didnt remove the viral hype!, tho did provoke some awareness but still hasnt stop the mandatory vaxing!?, altho there is no other way to be pushed bottom to top change, except maybe complete citizens disobedience but hm how such mobilization to be executed and all with smile to join the pushback against mandatory vaxing!?, hm maybe it can be done if there was constant pro and contra debate among scientists ...

I didn knew dr. Lanka won long court case against virology, just found about it, now there is second case in front of the german courts by Marvin Haberland [1 (https://odysee.com/@katie.su:7/thecourtcaseagainstvirology:0)][1 (https://archive.ph/AtDJ9)][1 (https://t.me/s/NextLevelOriginal)] what to say respect also for the demystification will of Ekaterina Sugak in the past few years [2 (https://t.me/s/germtheoryisahoax/775)][2 (https://rumble.com/user/Virusomania)] but what is more interesting is that in Germany this kind of pushback started coz Lankas 100k award for prove of isolated virus coz what he end up on court when actually forensic virologists under oath stated viruses are just idea [3 (https://archive.ph/AtDJ9#selection-5487.11-5669.25)] eventually his public attention grab through prize for virus proof became trend there [4 (https://samueleckert.net/isolate-truth-fund/)][4 (https://archive.is/zRVg3#selection-7809.0-7817.173)] but could such lawsuits defy the long projected eugenic spin of euroatlantic determinists hm maybe if "they" evaporate as shadow elites mids the western realm!, altho its duty for Christian to challenge "their" neopagan utopianism even that was futile on first sight [5 (https://odysee.com/@BackToTheLight:7/Isolation-vs.-Filtration-1080p-hls:8)][5 (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiner_Fuellmich)] here is also transcript [5 (https://archive.is/P833g#selection-163.0-163.84)]
tho not sure how correct is the translation its done through anthiago.com/transcript/ ~ still like this at least someone from someone would Wake Up that dont need to be enslaved by "their" fearmongering and coercion for now bionic&genetic jabs!, and I would had have understand the past vaxing with "inactivated" viruses (tho now even this started to be questionable for me how more exposed to "their" fallacy of explaining what is virus!) yet again it should be based on free will acceptance instead mandatory coercion even the old vaccines, but this the cells to be programed to print particular spike protein cmon, whats next on "their" transhumanist menu!?, could it get even more wrong!?, yes it could!, in form of dna tweaking coz chasing x-man capabilities!

Eh, now I do find strangely troubling even the notion that the old vaccines were shared with intention of securing health and longevity in the societies, knowing how in "their" core of ea-determinism "they" have malthusian fuse [6 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-2297.2-2305.2)] almost as if all assumption are getting less and less conspy and more and more factual agenda for smooth depop by vaxing of all unfit useless eaters that got born in this World, what would be an negative eugenic ideal, while probably in parallel was pushed also "positive" one for x-man superhumanity [6 (https://archive.is/T2XzP#selection-2435.1170-2435.1257)][6 (https://archive.ph/eSMyr#selection-10299.52-10299.141)][6 (https://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15155450&sid=274001dbbf57a231e952ba68d3627f94#p15155450)] that would survive any disease-x [6 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-7874634)][6 (https://odysee.com/@spacebusters:c9/In-Ultra-We-Trust:c)][6 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-8240099)] Yet I would not rush to claim mine elaboration is indisputable yeah go prove it!, even less to act some authority coz simply I am just compiler of the available info at hand and through footnoted mosaic reasoning trying to puzzle out eventual wrongness or how huge actually is the same!, yet even myself I prefer insiders scientists academicians and/or devoted people to challenge virology or vaxing as immunization method and how obsolete is the same!, indeed my geopolitical neopagan antihumanist assumptions speculations or information will need to be "purified" so I'll wait on official stance from scientists before claim with certainty that virology is actually pseudoscience how is postulated and misused obviously, and/or whether is part of greater neopagan agenda!, altho I do accept The Bible Revelation as pivot, but even then I am nor Theologian nor have open spiritual eyes so would claim firm knowledge and judgement passed to me from Above, yet again maybe we will never see that day i.e. the current science Officially to admit Virology went in Vacuum, coz from various reasons now will be real challenge for the academia to bring clarity, simply coz its risk for "their" wonnabe future technocracy as scientific authoritarianism if not totalitarianism, tho wrong scientific dictatorship even now is executed if measure is the past plandemix blackmail for vaxing of all with biotech jabs!

Post Merge: A year ago

Surely most effective way for bringing clarity around and about virology is if there was eTOS vibe as 24/7 scientific debate on thematic eforums eg. this one as general and global probably will be useless for effective debate but it asks for ngo virology eforum where pro and contra experts would reevaluate all calls finger and hype for revision of virology!

And once its demystified the current mainstream hype as at least halftrue then surely not just vaxing that will evaporate as prevention response but more importantly the hypochondriac fears from aerosol menace, and not that the same as bacterial dont exist yet such infection can be resolved far easier coz the attacker exact live organism!, but yet again how then to be explained all the death toll due to hiv or hcv "detection"!?, also how so military for so long was tilting on the V-hype for such bioweapons and invested so much funding in such biolabs or how to be explained mknaomi and alike agendas [1 (https://odysee.com/@spacebusters:c9/In-Ultra-We-Trust:c)][1 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/page-17#post-8309991)] hm heavymetal poisoning is always alternative [1 (https://archive.is/LDPqV#selection-745.0-747.176)][1 (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_depopu20.htm)] now even hiphop do pass :)

The crew behind this last footnoted docu is behind another new one, from which I"ve made some more appealing audio version (the original voice is somehow heavy to my ears) that probably sooner or later will be reported on YT but at least the transcript will survive [2 (https://youtu.be/yLV2ORjqqzc?t=2063)][2 (https://archive.ph/SRt3b#selection-7639.5-7795.0)][2 (https://odysee.com/@wonderingwhatif:b/The-End-of-Germ-Theory---Spacebusters:6?lid=c5249dda8d082df54d120e211bdc4b581ebdb06f)] its kind of more or less underground agitprop approach that should motivate people at least to debate eventual wrongly postulated and misused virus theory in Biology and prevention by vaxing in Medicine!, yet I'll point over and over again we will need wide public debate before we would witness any eventual change [3 (https://odysee.com/@ReluctantMystic:7/Tom-Cowan-THIS-is-the-Mother-of-All-Lies-They’re-DESPERATE-to-Keep-It-Hidden-From-YouManInAmerica:1?r=FABHJRisWD1S4JYWmGeKjZit5KmmZfyX)][3 (https://viroliegy.com/2023/03/22/a-conversation-with-the-terrain-theory-podcast-about-viroliegy/)][3 (https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/fois-reveal-that-health-science-institutions-around-the-world-have-no-record-of-sars-cov-2-isolation-purification/)] hm wonder how would tilt euroatlantic determinists if that becomes case!?, hm hm hm could here and there "antiviral" webinars surpass anytime all the money that went in viral symposiums around the world!?,

... maybe it will be more inviting for listening as tagged link, tho the transcript is also way for quick sneak peak as word find!?

I really cant understand why such censorship still thrive on yt or soc.nets as if indeed is too big to fail the dod's panopticon skim for chipping and hiving of all at least westerm population, and I really do see in all that some "alien" conspy spin, altho not sure whether the ultra surveillance is done by us or "them" over us!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLV2ORjqqzc

After seeing some older fear hype on this forum [1 (https://archive.is/WUVUj#selection-777.0-790.0)][1 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1943417.msg5414419#msg5414419)] yep its coming really reliving this kind of thread!, especially knowing that such kind of wrong accusing hype could be used for geopolitical bashing and that leading to global confrontation [2 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/covid19-manufactured-in-usa-claim-china.240721/)][2 (https://archive.ph/AMfmF#selection-6665.94-6667.2)][2 (https://archive.is/cHkSl#selection-3535.361-3535.439)] altho in this last footnote an logic that potentially could be achieved as chemtrailed by bionic means!, still being tied by fake fears is really wrong enslavement So get free from virus paranoia altho get aware how can crush eventual bionic [3 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-6827.117-6827.315)][3 (https://archive.is/VBfqR#selection-2143.0-2143.230)]

Curious, did you listen to the entire 2+ hours of that video? That's a lot to digest!

Im wondering why a refutation of the existence of viruses means an end to "germ theory"? Germ theory is the idea that diseases arise from germs attacking the body from outside. This was first argued and proven by Louis Pasteur. Pasteur also determined the natural history of anthrax. He proved that anthrax is caused by a particular bacillus and suggested that animals could be given anthrax in a mild form by vaccinating them with attenuated (weakened) bacilli, thus providing immunity from potentially fatal attacks. In order to prove his theory, Pasteur began by inoculating 25 sheep; a few days later he inoculated these and 25 more sheep with an especially strong inoculant, and he left 10 sheep untreated. He predicted that the second 25 sheep would all perish and concluded the experiment dramatically by showing, to a skeptical crowd, the carcasses of the 25 sheep lying side by side.

Pasteur spent the rest of his life working on the causes of various diseases - including septicemia, cholera, diphtheria, fowl cholera, tuberculosis, and smallpox - and their prevention by means of vaccination. He is best known for his investigations concerning the prevention of rabies, otherwise known in humans as hydrophobia. Today, we say that rabies is caused by a virus [1] (https://ppdictionary.com/viruses/rabies.htm). After experimenting with the saliva of animals suffering from this disease, Pasteur concluded that the disease rests in the nerve centers of the body; when an extract from the spinal column of a rabid dog was injected into the bodies of healthy animals, symptoms of rabies were produced. By studying the tissues of infected animals, particularly rabbits, Pasteur was able to develop an attenuated form of the 'virus' that could be used for inoculation.

Thus, it is appropriate to learn more about what Pasteur did, and what exactly was inside that inoculation.

In 1885, a young boy and his mother arrived at Pasteur’s laboratory; the boy had been bitten badly by a rabid dog, and Pasteur was urged to treat him with his new method. At the end of the treatment, which lasted ten days, the boy was being inoculated with the most potent rabies virus known; he recovered and remained healthy. Since that time, thousands of people have been saved from rabies by this treatment. So what's going on here?

Yes I've listened to few times as before so as after making it as mp3 file, tho in their previous videoart docu about mknaomi they have also good points here expanded and narrowed to virology, what I find tho interesting is how like this as mp3 is more effective for contemplation of the proposed revisioning!

To be honest I am not sure nor have clue how much of the germ theory is substantial explanation of the biology of the anthropological or other bioms!?. logically all is interconnected but not solely on some material bioinfo level but also energetic ~ even more live energy if thought is perceived as shape of programing energy fractals (around and/or in some direction flow vibe usually labeled vortexes) would be logical to be seen through vernadskis perspective in noosphere, as form of live social emotional physical interconnected live tissue of existence, what by metaphysical terms would be ekonomia of the Spirit, thus we need indeed paradigm shift coz the current humanistic approach is almost completely disoriented - simply we have some reductionist clues how things work but once those are projected as ultimate truths (on top wrongly imposed as no'alternative truths which should be followed blindly by all as societies and medicine) its more than logical like that we are reaching dead end, So in such environment of exceptionalism and for few centuries bullying of humanism which now waits level of upgrade till transhumanism in such circumstances what we are witnessing is trend of even greater exponentional wrong trial&error vibe that as system not just that will hit dead end on many levels but will push us on verge of noreturn and unmeasurable or intentionally overlooked piling of ecoethical and bioethical risks!, I do see bionic&genetic revolution as real menace how is pushed through still not completely understood Biology even by reductionists terms!, yeah what can go wrong if that is "further" expanded in nano trial&error mode till mindbogling a.i. measuring datacrawling and "solutioning" till transhumanist oblivion, not to begin with the neopagan hype behind alchemist that standardized humanism and "their" lust for some as "they" say needed phase of "ahriman" so as spicies we would come to apotheosis, hm are we just idiots or waiting to see when "they'll" become such!

What I see actually as problem is the lack of constant 24/7 specialized scientific thematic debate where eg. in viroSSOlogy expert and/or student debate would flow through e'tool like e'forums till clarity of every discutable or probable for change theory and praxis in this field of Biology, think we lack also habit of gathering for debate even on universities so students as future academia would be stimulated if not forced to debate constantly and as fresh thought to advance even more and/or question the current mainstream dogmas but not like now in keep'quiet'mode or let'me'shout'hype but in some regular normal revisioning!, ideally every alternative theory needs to have own alt virology eforum!, yet again eTOS [1 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=etos%20%40Pelister)] what so would be effective demystification or confirmation effort of refuting or defending germ theory think needs to become debate trend 1. as on local universities (like emergence of neatly moderated student tool) 2. so as on regional level (probably as live inter'edu tool among docs and professors) and 3. eventually on global level as some science body of equal votes that will change some standardization in Biology as theory so as praxis!, and this needs to be norm for every of the humanistic sciences if we claim that skepticism rulz while in same time many glitches for so long became lets say blind spots instead pivot for understanding that the current Biology altho effective in many also defectives in other respects eg. how is misused by Medicine so would be institutionalized big'pharma'prescriptions per'se as solution for our ill consumeristic reality altho what in effect can be in huge bulk resolved just by simple incorporation of Nutri Clinics or Hospital MDs  as first level of palliative measure by prescribing food menu therapy as necessary step till rooting down some ill fate in the patients instead from sleeve on first to be dumped pills!, some say we need complete redefining [2 (https://archive.is/SBKrF#selection-6537.1346-6537.1422)] but that is like expecting shift from complete car to complete train transport mode what nor is instantly doable nor lasting if anyhow is standardized as norm THUS I'll say we need constant wide&public 24/7 thematic eforum debate among the academia among the experts among the system parts as institutions ngo's and parties what in effect will bring paradigm shifting on many levels and if not else the pressure from some wrongly implemented (or worst imposed by "green passports) science would be cushioned in right manner if not else with raising free wiil as prime norm mids democracies tho blind norming is also wrong thus balance need can and is logical to be searched on World where it can be reached stability otherwise (here the story goes in metaphysical flip so would fullstop so would not be condemned that want priests to become MDs)

You're right about the need to debate ideas, but there's a general consensus that science isn't debatable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”

How can two parties debate whether viruses exist if there are peer reviewed studies that verify their existence? Those debating their existence can easily cite those studies to 'prove' their point (in fact, there are heaps of articles that do so), while on the opposite side, deniers can only criticize and doubt their validity by poking holes at the idea. Do the deniers have actual laboratory studies that provide evidence that what has been isolated isn't really pathogenic, or isn't really a virus? If so, then perhaps there is a chance to win over some people, but these would have to be aggregated and reviewed carefully.

From my perspective, if a team of researchers fail to 'isolate' the virus, they are unlikely to publish their work to begin with, and that would definitely not satisfy the organization that hired them in the first place. I think this was the reason for all the variants of 'COVID' that kept being reported; scientists were specifically looking for a reason to publish, even if it meant evidence was limited.

This is why topics such as these are not actively debated, it's a lose-lose situation if more than 95% of scientist, whom arguably are some of the most rational people, are on board.

Think that is wrong exceptionalism to be pivot for existence, in case of natural sciences even more coz those should heavily rest on skepticism, yet following blindly some postulated truths (now obviously based on system that depends from rudimental empiricism observation and understanding) it could be disastrous thing! altho I have deep understanding why so for so long the selfdelusional academia need to tilt out in elitist defense tho what is done from various reasons like lucrative interests or midiocre herd obedience to the authorities and above all proud!, and this is general observation of dogmatic humanist exceptionalism which can be seen in various fields (of scientific belief) eg. physics [1 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-2019.116-2019.258)][1 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-6357.373-6359.1)] what finally in this century needs to pause if not to step back and open space for active revisioning by the very same supporters of some theory or praxis coz by its claimed nature even humanist scientists should be open minded and question everything, tho as we know that is only sham of idealist intention for evidential truth!, hm maybe how many are now exposed through internet on requestioning of their own implanted and taken by granted biochemical truths i.e. will see how ridiculous is such scientific exceptionalism (from whatever reasons pushed) still to be kept as fetus in museum jar but coz the tissue got so old it cant be recognized whether is some fetus or some organ free floating in that humanist stew!, now am I exaggerating think no!, first how there is evaded active public debate says big time that something is not right!, then there is not even will such thing to be provoked at least through ngo if not institutional eforums where would be moderated pro and contra debate in some particular field (from local and regional till global academic eforums) as if indeed there is no effective debate e'tools like e'forum for long (hm maybe dont wont to risks avalanch of direct democratic burst [2 (https://archive.is/T3lQz#selection-8735.160-8737.1)]) but even when that is case at best is stimulated in general form eg. BiFo as waffle student mainly moderated eforum in Q&A category, where whatever eventual revisionism can reach only level of table tennis chit chat instead table tennis tournament ...

About the current peer'review'process as academic pivot mids western plutocracy, hm what to say till now I was almost completely confident and certain that there is indeed fair scientific regulator of evidence based sharing of truth, but recently found out from insider how when needed that system can be skewed [3 (https://archive.is/YwRmG#selection-6447.86-6447.140)] obviously when there are elites with higher cause behind the scenes plus which freely surf mids plutocracy we dont need to wonder that that is case but without that last footnote whistle till now I wasnt able to shout Where Is The Bin (to see what all was thrown with smile on "their" faces ~ again the japanese girl stemcell eureka comes first to mind [3 (https://archive.ph/afsYB#selection-1031.0-1087.13)][3 (https://archive.is/x530Y#selection-12633.0-12645.188)]) So till I dont see constant scientific eforum debate even on every study cluster (eg. CBD and Lymphocites) till then personally I will have ultra doubt in the basis methods and findings of the current humanist academia!, here it should not be issue of deniers of someones truth but selfrevisionig and public auditing of every mainstream scientific field even when as in case of mechanical engineering is reached high effective standardization of efficiency where despite all confidence still new better tweaks are achieved, yet when You will try to tweak vacuum that can be super ridiculous, we need to admit on many sides humanism is cracking as exceptional yet constantly repatched cracks so would be kept the current neoliberal capitalist system workable by the wide&long established functions and relations, simply revealing of virology as in huge error would mean redefining whole Medicine and Pharmacy as industry and economy what from many aspects could be volatile step to which even if "they" would like would go slowly as snail so would not provoke ultra selfshocking choice of paradigm shifting!, so condolence for Mankind if that dont happens coz to the very same udder are choking eugenicists transhumanists deists and alike which will not hesitate even to wronger trial&error experiments through the recent covertly pushed genetic&bionic revolution!

Now is any virus isolated or produced denovo till now hm cant say anymore, thus not sure how such none'evident'truth can be still crucial part of biochemistry, even less why as mainstream theory is not by systemic will defended through constant pro and contra academic debate!, what if and when will happen will resolve probably the mystery how far germ theory can go on, and what even coz higher cause at the moment cant be allowed full revision at least will start true deelitisation of humanism, what eventually will remove if not else the pink glasses of transhumanism which is already sold as very'new'normal for merging between Us and machines altho pushed by fear plandemix trickery so would be evaded bioethics!, yep if not else through such wide pro and contra debate will be reemphasized the overlooked bioethical bullying and coercion of mandatory vaxing YET the debate is pulled in obsolete soc.net chit chat which can only reach hysterical propagandizing but not will for correction and/or change of the current idolatry of humanistic exceptionalism!

Probably its worthy to reassert how important is not just theoretical but also experimental paradigm sh@# in case of microbiology and particularly virology so would be addressed the wrong vaxing coz contagion of pandemics from flu illness, including symptoms treatment and prevention!, what defacto so would begin as mainstream trend yes it needs affirmation by the academia of probable alternative theories so would such scientific work would be funded, here per'se I am thinking in context of Bioresonance!, but how we will reach to such inertia when we know how tied in germ'theory'knot are military big'pharma and regulators that will oppose strongly on such inertia through all current plutocratic levers eg. in the euroatlantic realm!, is it possible even politicians to force inertia towards certain Biology paradigm shift and like that to risk collapse of the current Medicine and Pharmacology that rest mainly on chemical reactions for chasing remedies for treatment of diseases [1 (https://archive.is/xEPHj#selection-143.49-143.313)][1 (https://archive.is/hQFgb#selection-2429.0-2434.0)] what think at best is half of Cell Biology hm maybe in socialist countries but even there that will not go smooth knowing how every even small reform in Medicine takes time as implementation, what about rolling out complete paradigm shift!

Now when Bioresonce is in question (again check the footnotes in the next one [2 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-4125.83-4125.145)][2 (https://archive.is/CW19v#selection-3775.1-3777.1)][2 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12511993/)][2 (https://archive.is/CmZJE#selection-4679.16-4679.47)]) first approach is wide academic debate on eforums forced and moderated by universities, even that was done by professors as noninstitutional initiative, not sure just what it would take to come to that, otherwise like in case of CBD we will tilt and wait till big'pharma dont even its profit!?, what just by stalling skewing derailing any public funding for such research, whatever needs just so would be dismissed as still unreachable knowledge so we would reach paradigm shift!, thus without academic will for revision of virology its less likely that we will see change ahead!, this is think more than important so improvising alt.med. gurus would not start selling their vibraphones like candies, especially knowing that the chemical processes indeed exist so it cant be completely thrown in bin all Microbiology and guess somewhere inbetween could be eventual paradigm shift, but how even we can reach to better understanding of Bioresonance if is not heavily invested in such research on universities!?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4561347/ (https://archive.is/fxxh3#selection-863.0-868.0)

Hm, lets imagine such research is heavily subsidized, can we really grasp how eventual true effective Preventive Bioresonant Medicine can disrupt "their" will for population control, imagine 16 billion world population, what for "them" is nightmare of possibility coz "they" cant secure "their" power and control above the current population what about if the same doubled, thus its really questionable if at all will be allowed "public" funding towards reaching full understanding of Bioresonance and on top such knowhow to be widely released so Mankind would have greater quality of life and longevity, and maybe only hope is eventual revision of particle physics (which standard model is in vast vacuum recently) to bring new chemistry and like that to be reached greater understanding of biochemistry!, but lets see whether even SM of pa.ph. will be requestioned at all!

Not that I will judge the theories as mainstream or alternative how valid are, simply I am not virologist nor biolog thus dont have the right to be anyhow authority but wonder why universities dont have own eforums where will welcome eventual revisionist to postulate publicly their claims and bring their issue to challenge!?, what how is now done through blogs tv or soc.nets its not in favor of scientific skepticism but scientific dogmatism eg. [1 (https://www.integralworld.net/visser169.html#1)][1 (https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-reality)] altho defacto the effectiveness of vaxing as treatment is in my opinion not so wide i.e. there are many who either are not healed or the virus is reemerging again eg. in case of hcv vaccinated!, practically complete eradication of some virus once popped up in the body think is impossible by vaxing!?

What I do find strange tho is how Biology still havent fully grasp all the processes in the Cell [2 (https://youtu.be/UY4pJaGJgkA?t=1549)][2 (https://archive.is/nDxQw#selection-4373.15-4591.38)][2 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/post-1665208)] yet pharmacists obviously by DoD authorization released synthetic biological m'rna vaccines [3 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-8306202)][3 (https://archive.is/T2XzP#selection-1825.161-1825.329)][3 (https://archive.is/T2XzP#selection-2359.61-2359.228)] which coz the graphene oxide as lnp membrane are bionic while coz the programing of the cell m'rna an "genetic jab" tho per'se dont affect dna yet the very same issue recognized by dna will passed on future generations "they" hope (here I speculate heavily but guess the idea is indirect dna programing altho "they" have as "they" say methods for direct one too) here must add that it bugs me how so already exist gmo hype for plants and still isnt revealed for "their" humans!?, or is!?, but the same notion is not revealed!?, maybe experimented invivo now through separate vaccine batches on different population [4 (https://archive.vn/I8Xlv#selection-941.2-951.142)][5 (https://retrovirology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12977-021-00581-1)] tho this kind of speculation till is not confirmed will be just another real scifi possibility!

In my opinion what we see is particular modern eugenic rush for reaching superhumanity but through still not filly mastered microbiology, hm who would say that virology is eugenic hype [6 (https://archive.is/2B1V7#selection-7155.460-7155.524)][6 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1381159/?page=3)][6 (https://books.google.mk/books?id=6c93kAuLmToC&lpg=PP33&pg=PA33#v=onepage&q&f=false)] is this enough motivating for revisionism and will it be in time demystified virology as particular wrong eugenic spin of euroatlantic elites behind the scenes that for few centuries are pushing that ubermensch hype, hm will "they" be exposed and disposed that we will need to see, actually everything depends now on the geopolitical clash we are witnessing at the moment altho as globalists euroatlantic determinists dont care even if west crumbles coz as wide spread on various ways around the world "they" hope will reemerge as levelers whoever won eventual ww3!?, am I right hope not!, yet how to be explained all the hypocrisy deceit and exceptionalism if such inertia wasnt case!?, maybe "they" just fell from sky and dont have own causality inheritance and ideals as euroatlantic determinists (as on scientific so as on political level) probably I am just tripping and everything is accidental intercourse of possibilities yeah as pink unicorns are on our streets, hm wait who knows maybe if lsd is spliced in our brains maybe it will!?, if and only if we allow "them" to play with us as we are experimental cattle Lord Forbid ...

I'll try with all my lowliness as halfliterate on this topic to throw further assumptions that can come handy in eventual future academic debate that think can make difference if not else like check and balance of epidemiology if not virology coz as could be seen from the next paragraph footnotes thermodynamics is still not fully explored topic ...

... but first of all when speaking about possibilities, most probably it will be achieved greater understanding of viruses after the current regular examination of x-ray protein crystallography recently was accompanied by the new 1. xFEL (laser beams) and 2. MicroED (electron microspcopes) , what logically will broaden the observation 1. "X-ray free-electron laser, thus enabling studies of fast dynamics without the need to crystallize or freeze the sample" [1 (http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1421351/FULLTEXT01.pdf)][1 (https://www.photonics.com/Articles/XFEL_Inaugurated_in_Germany/p6/vo146/i980/a62584)] and 2. "the electron cryomicroscopy (cryo-EM) method microcrystal electron diffraction (MicroED) has produced atomic resolution structures of important biological and small molecules. Since its inception in 2013, MicroED established a demonstrated ability for solving structures of difficult samples using vanishingly small crystals. However, membrane proteins remain the next big frontier for MicroED." [2 (https://portlandpress.com/biochemsoctrans/article/50/1/231/230823/Studying-membrane-proteins-with-MicroED)][2 (https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlehtml/2022/nh/d2nh00377e)] altho how geopolitically things got stiff recently its question whether freeway of collaboration like till now will be case between east and west, and overall maybe there is need for paradigm shift of "the theory of life" but what would expose to revision many other biological processes altho from side like that to be opened room for bioresonance too [3 (https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-future-robot-life/frl210011)][3 (https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-thermodynamics-theory-of-the-origin-of-life-20140122/)] now another interesting twist to this would be how viruses can be also beneficial thus flipping the role could be hype [4 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7992106/)] or how they tend to become active or inactive due to thermodynamics ~ "despite years of research on virus environmental stability, there do not exist mechanistically motivated quantitative models for virus inactivation as a function of both temperature and humidity" [5 (https://elifesciences.org/articles/65902)] altho its known that nucleid acids restructure or decompose at higher temperatures thus capsid protein shell are affected too [6 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25291500/)][6 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25291500/)][6 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleic_acid_thermodynamics)] but also an pH variations are issue too [7 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S002228360194896X)] and among other think that also its not enough considered the role of the blood alkalinity and the krebs cycle upon the "virulence" [8 (https://archive.is/0QQvw#selection-2663.1-2687.95)][8 (https://archive.is/rwPVz#selection-2572.0-2572.1)][8 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1521661699947885)][8 (https://archive.is/nNLHo#selection-761.0-761.43)] (tho footnoted analogy as hint) ... eventually there are other for now fringe scientific possibilities that can affect all these processes eg. protein mimicry by electron charge or discharge in proteins i.e. bioelectrochemistry [9 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/physics-and-astronomy/electron-transfer-protein)] etc. etc. still not fully known processes in Biology ...

SO all this raises kinky question not per'se about the viruses and whether they exist but why its expected that by default through vaccination could be achieved certain herd immunity, at all whether alone by immunological memory can be achieved secured immunization, practically if the organism is overburdened with co2 and coz that the immunity having issues to fight with regular stress then at best vaccines are ineffective approach even viruses do exist as pathogens simply even we burst health it would need for every new phenotype new vaccine and that whether due to graphene oxide lnp membrane in m'rna vaccines or metal stabilizers in the old type of vaccines like that will be pouted unnecessary the organism!

I've found two interesting pro and against positions regards existence of viruses, the later would be attack on the germ theory where viruses and vaccination are seen as completely obsolete fraud ... altho how the elaboration almost immediately is juiced with totalitarian'paranoia'alarm normally instead to be reviewed and confronted as biological understanding (I suppose probably in context of terrain theory) simply from first look it will be dismissed as conspy claim, altho for me even as such opens thought how close or not is to the claims of Cowan or Kaufman, at all wonder why Microbiologist dont open thematic global eforum about virology where will be addressed all alternative theories from aspect of mainstream responsibility so masses would not have hesitance about vaccination as safe immunization approach!, at least will be observed any eventual opposition in articulate manner [1 (http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=174837)][1 (http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15152690#p15152690)] and altho they maybe have active mailed academic debate still narrowed and neat thematic expert e'debate is utmost needed so once and for all this issue to be resolved or opened virology for revision!, sometimes I feel like still witnessing 19c. debate which altho in electronic form still not open and public but elitist one how confined to and around new studies that passed obviously the biased peer'review'process!, hm maybe mandatory eforum for every study could also bring more clarity!?

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1. the Debunking Theory

https://beforeitsnews.com/spirit/2020/09/amanda-vollmer-bombshell-evidence-that-covid-rt-pcr-tests-for-chromosome-8-human-dna-with-transcript-2518132.html (https://archive.is/blvxr#selection-1223.65-1223.506) [1 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/xmkLRGRk2YCu/)]

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2. the Affirming new 3D-TrIm Microscopy (High-speed particle tracking is achieved using a rapidly scanning laser focus over a narrow field of view and single-photon counting detectors to calculate photon-by-photon position updates in real time)

[2 (https://youtu.be/AC2RJ3TZ8aQ?t=1347)] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41592-022-01672-3 (https://archive.is/5hlgC#selection-2603.0-2619.206) +  [2 (https://microbionews.com/2023/01/20/)][2 (https://research.aston.ac.uk/en/publications/reconstruction-and-validation-of-entire-virus-model-with-complete)]

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And this is quite an novine what gives more effective proof for virions as particles, stil the complete processes think are not known, or whether indeed as emergence are just chromosomes which by bioresonance means are mobilized on attack!?, still as imagining tech gives quite unique perspective, that tho if is used in propagandized way it could only mislead the academia that the vacuum in virology is removed altho defacto how ineffective are vaccines the same undoubtedly exist [2 (https://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/case-study/the-challenge-of-measuring-vaccine-effectiveness/)][2 (https://archive.is/A74jM#selection-3297.0-3323.329)][2 (https://brownstone.org/articles/testimony-senate-republic-of-mexico/)] and above all its strange why such hype around synthetic immunization when there is natural alternative like CBD too [3 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5414388#msg5414388)][4 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5413041#msg5413041)] at least there should be available Free Choice about state sponsored immunization with Natural CBD Extract or as till now whatever biotech darpa and big'pharma will slip in the vaxing menu!, actually if "they" are sincere about the motives for transhumanism and give choice think probably will have greater success for reaching faster stable trial&error environment towards superhumanity i.e. instead like now to be thrown extra money on suppressing by propaganda any opposition the same would go for compensation for any volunteer collateral due to rise of humanism and its latest genetic&bionic revolution!

In context of this last sentence whats is troubling is that gene editing is intentionally released for mass use through the widely available cas9 kits [5 (https://archive.is/XImyu#selection-669.0-681.64)][5 (https://archive.is/5oj1h#selection-1195.0-1281.94)][5 (https://globalbiodefense.com/2018/07/16/genome-damage-from-crispr-cas9-gene-editing-higher-than-thought/)] what in effect guess was done for evading eventual bioethical hickups on universities and faster pace of experimenting by garage scientists maybe in context of dope if not else and like that used later for fear psyop and/or good excuse if and when something will went wrong in national labs, practically biohacking as subcultural trend at least should loosen any hesitance for bionic&genetic medicine and as much as possible would collapse the bioethical taboo about gmo'super'man altho knowing how "they" see us as masses like useless eaters defacto any eventual healthy invention will be reserved for the elites and all "their" deistic devotees or needed slaves!

On the other side of the coin as alternative theories that wait the day to be more widely explored like eg. bioresonance altho there is interest by scientists still when the same is heavily ignored as possibility and mostly researched by enthusiasts its question how fast paradigm shift will be achieved, yet again if there is will by the academia alone to speed up this process at least by some student thematic eforums regards Biology and Bioresonance as alternative theory of interaction between cells and the electromagnetic spectrum if so think things can move from the current buried in exceptionalism not just virology but whole medicine and overal ecology of symbiosis in habitat, actually like this could be opened also room for grasping eventual noosphere as kind of emf biom in this World ... for now tho there is maybe misleading inertia eg. which I recognize from the next study that is attempt to explain eventual bioresonance through quantum physics that I am also not sure how valid is if we know that sm of particle physics is also in huge vacuum [6 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-3453.0-3453.64)] still the "quantum entanglement" as observed phenomenon should be addressed but probably its should be seen from another perspective as particular emergence due to electromagnetism under specific bioresonant influence, stil coz I am nor biolog nor physicist again I'll urge all dont read me as some knowledgeable authority, simply just see that there is need for revisionism at least of the mainstream exceptionalism so would be reached consensus that alternative theories dont need to be bashed like quackery coz cant be empirically or mathematically weighed or expressed, simply we need above all to rise above the stiffness of the current science to stick solely on modeling through past century postulated theoretical logic!, anyway even as such is suggesting that there is need for revisionism as is case with the next study ...

http://www.dejanrakovicfund.org/radovi/2016_NEUREL.pdf (https://archive.is/KRc3b#selection-225.0-365.45)
http://www.dejanrakovicfund.org/radovi/2022_YUCOMAT.pdf (http://www.dejanrakovicfund.org/radovi/2022_YUCOMAT.pdf)

As even more fringe logic of alternative theory I do wonder whether already in mil.labs is not understood bioresonance and even employed in particular psyop, what in context of these studies can be seen as possible for brainhack [7 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=2054880.msg5416586#msg5416586)] reason plus why would be stalled if cant be dismissed such research except the regular big'pharma sabotage of whatever possibilities that are treat to "their" profit and established medical practice knowing how indeed in that huge role have also eugenicists (huxley&co utopianism comes to mind) as gatekeepers of the current narrative for securing happiness by pills genetic and/or bionics for the utopian superhumanity which so would become reality now there is rush to be tied to economy [7 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/adio-fiat-hello-crypto-but-free-decentralized-or-totalitarian-centralized-one.135889/post-1885422)][7 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/on-economy-past-current-future/12534/26)]-[8 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/synthetic-telepathy-thought-survilance-and-manipulation/9957/6)] and probably this should be finally exposed as "their" wonnabe utopian fix of euroatlantic agenda so the academia would brake free from "their" narrative, altho even then many would still bend the head simply coz "they" control the vaults and funding for scientific research, yet not all scientists are striken by lucrative motives in their own research, so lets hope someone will eventually pull out paradigm shift, if not else by exploring the possibility viruses to be deactivated by weak currents!?, tho hope that will not bring back again electroshock lobotomy as normal regular trend [8 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-4333.61-4333.148)][8 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/post-1666683)]-[9 (https://youtu.be/ryzIeTFu2IM?t=2941)]

In essence how this thread started and how evolved altho that wasnt my intention per'se to throw all kind of digressions, still think the same somehow help to be puzzled out general picture why the current narrative was needed and pushed by euroatlantic determinists which inherited enlightenment era neoplatonist agenda for superhumanity and utopia indeed found lever in virology and vaccination as easiest way for mass tweaking of "super health" and "longevity" as if diseases are eradicated completely we will reach deistic heaven'on'earth, what somewhere after ww2 think got bionic upgrade [10 (https://archive.is/tHbbm#selection-1817.447-1817.592)][10 (https://archive.ph/dsVVG#selection-4513.12-4513.61)] and now finally when bionic&genetic revolution was slipped on small door through m'rna vaccines and like that circumventing bioethics covertly simply "they've" laid firm inertia towards homo'silicone'transhumanism as some normal advanced medicine that saved millions of lives, so why now not to be released in all forms of pharmacology as target'nano'drugs or cosmetics or nourishment etc. etc. fields where synthetic biology could be applied, normally coz greater pace of experimenting towards achieving "their" wrong utopian ideals!, hm will this kind of logic be helpful for academia to grasp that it could be unwillingly (mis)used towards such goals dont know, yep if I was scientist and have stumble on this kind of reasoning would take good laugh surely, but I'll encourage all be skeptic by default and recheck debate decimate my logic and must say loose arguments, loose coz I am layman, but having some experience with wrong elites that chased wrong agendas for what it took me time to figure out how wrong "they" were!, yet still dont blame noone simply as in every field in neoliberal capitalism so as in Biology there are various interest groups that will do their best to suppress whatever paradigm shift if not else from exceptional fear ho so for so long were tilting in at best half truth pool of bio-knowhow!, altho not small portion of similar blockade would come by the military coz simply bioresonance would be like avalanche of risks in context of defense practically whole doctrines would have to be remodeled and that asks for time and resources!, finally ea-determinists as desit elites on west would always long to hold such knowhow for "themselves" simply so would secure own power and position mids the western realm at least till its introduced technocracy and transhumanism as undefiable scientific dictatorship when "they" would not need to play all by money but by push'of'button [12 (https://archive.is/DkzaQ)][12 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/search?q=push%27of%27button%20%40pelister%20order%3Alatest)] yet even myself I am skeptic about my reasoning too thus would like to hear opinion about the for most of the population still conspy claims and fo encourage debate me while still around but be Polite and open new ontopic thread while here eventually to link as digression the new thread solely so would not choke this thread further and leave space the ontopic "virus isolation" points to be debated in non culture based solution :) Cheers ...

This source (https://archive.is/blvxr#selection-1223.0-1227.250) is so poorly written from a biological basis that I couldn't go on reading after this paragraph


Suddenly a virus is a chromosome? A chromosome is a single piece of DNA found in every nucleated cell of the body.


Agreed ^^

Hm, I was surprised too when saw that claim, yet for the sake of comparison how pro and against bandwagon have bias regards virology I've thrown the link, maybe could have be better to drop as second tagged url coz the 3D-Trim is indeed something like unique novel imaging of virions, still coz needed to quote the line so would be more appealing link for clicking so it is as it is, tho like that positioned almost as if I am giving more relevance to the conspy chromosome link what tho is not case coz still going back and forth around the final truth about viruses as pathogens!

Probably we will need to see redefinition of the hype eg. coz their attacking sneaking injecting bouncing trajectory and infiltration definitely viruses can be seen as intruder mechanism yet as mark it could be seen as beneficial or pathogenic, and finally how chromosomes are printing proteins i.e. how m'rna command comes it can be not solely coz mechanic infiltration from other organism but the same info can be passed by bioresonance means, tho throwing like this assumptions for general revisioning maybe is not so smart thing, coz probably more easily can be reached revision by diakoptic approach and part by part deconstructing and reconstructing virology instead anblock to be dismissed, in essence the main issue think is vaccination and if that is removed from the menu think we will focus more quickly example on the ipsc stem cells eg. as palliative pneumonia response (check the 12th footnotes below)

Am I tilting grammatically ... in the second part of my previous post and especially in the last sentence due to bioresonant psyop. hm think not and most probably the wordy side kick is as result of too wide digressing while trying to find extra reasons how and why bioresonce to be considered as worthy variable if microbiology gets revisioned ahead!, tho also counts the lost will to reread what have written and slipping from sleeve logic between the correlating footnotes ... Also I've missed to point to one super interesting somehow logical joke (about the dead end of blind reductionist reasoning which is main pivot in the current by humanism choked academia) > that: "Chemistry is the part of Physics that physicists cant grasp, while Biology is the part of Pshysics and Chemistry that physicists and chemists cant grasp" [1 (https://youtu.be/ec0G3_vzxqI?t=2183)] so untill Physics and Chemistry dont welcome more broader revisioning nor Biology could accept Bioresonance as probable variable in cell life, hm maybe after all Mathematics will spin the revisionist wheal on some rudimental way eg. while trying to merge Cosmogony with Physics and Biology [2 (https://www.goldennumber.net/quantum-gravity-reality-golden-ratio/)][2 (https://www.originsofconsciousness.com/origins-of-consciousness/is-the-universe-a-living-organism)] yet the humanistic alchemists rule out Teleology and eventually in reductionist manner to exhale we dont care hm coz if do will need to look in "their" wrong ideals like neoplatonism atheism or deism which hold "their" scientific stamina hostage to "their" wrong epistemiology!, at best will say everything is illusion [3 (https://youtu.be/YGAo5uLCPio?t=2)][3 (https://archive.is/57RZX)] yeah the fine neat and smooth trap of quantumers to reach even nihilism empirically with huge smile on face!, altho astrobiology hypothesize that eventual strange life forms are possible but till not observed and measured would be only philosophical opportunism altho there is simple logic why cant be ruled out [3/4 (https://larouchepub.com/lym/2010/3737what_sense_immortality.html)] hm some even go till extremes to claim that mycelium is the most effectively observable live conscious being that cross=connect all known physical bioms on this World [4 (https://anneofcarversville.com/muse/2022/4/27/mycelium-earths-green-carpet)] altho I'll say its just medium if so!, tho some have issues with the same [4 (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/9/1557452/-The-Odd-Phenomenon-of-Morgellons-Disease)][4 (https://archive.is/WkJPd#selection-41.22-41.30)][5 (https://archive.is/ThHEz#selection-2359.6-2421.26)][5 (https://archive.is/3nPd3#selection-1635.31-1707.38)][6 (http://web.archive.org/web/20161031083221/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w44f61TDcI)][6 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-7809.455-7809.477)] and here I'll stop coz otherwise risk to drawn in various speculative possibilities eg. for giant fossils altho its good to be pointed through it that out of the box thesis should also be examined if not else so would be excluded as probable [7 (https://archive.ph/IC2TD#selection-1719.263-1719.367)][7 (https://youtu.be/JkxvHd-MTps?t=1)][7 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/earth-anomalies-never-mind-mars/127/3)] like that avoiding any eventual superstitious biomancy geomancy etc. alike traps!, but for what we need scientific inertia towards spontaneous collective will for wasting time on alternative theories even as humanistic academia and by reverse engineering logic to be removed the chaff from wheat!, otherwise dont see how would be resolved the logic for virome as biocommunication mechanism [8 (https://archive.is/2B1V7#selection-7723.89-7723.266)] and again as skepticism so as creativity and curiosity should drive science, the problem is that without eTOS environment the debate pushed in 19c. eloquent communication solely through studies instead in modern agora what would be eforums as etool dont have capacity for polishing probabilities but only judging someone who postulated some as finished thesis or theory!, and that hm is slow, especially slow if needed to be revisioned strangely wrong alchemical basis of humanism that keeps all hostage in "own" hype for understanding of existence (the logic from the 3/4 footnote) and how and why should all to embrace "their" way of reasoning, for what somehow more obvious example is cosmology [9 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-7177.100-7183.2)] here will skip biology fingering in same manner so would not offend someone, altho neoplatonism and from it derived eugenics are enough evident wrongness of direction for following what again think became norm for virology [10 (https://archive.is/2B1V7#selection-7155.470-7155.524)][10 (https://archive.is/f4mLd#selection-5063.138-5065.1)] frankly dont have personally issue why someone has particular beliefs or knowhow but do have issue when that "someone" is negating all the rest by wrong exceptionalist maximization of its "own" imposed truths!, supposedly we live in democracy and especially in science all have equal space for expressing but what not rarely is just false meme coz actually the power elites mids and through neoliberal capitalism are dictating the narrative trends and inertia for following solely coz "own" interests for what it could be offered various examples from teslas physics till the modern stalled if not suppressed microbiological discoveries [10 (https://archive.is/f4mLd#selection-4555.8-4555.63)][10 (https://archive.is/z5LUM#selection-36695.0-36767.13)][10 (https://www.nature.com/articles/35043017)] now why is not invested in this first ridiculed now bashed ipsc stem cell method surely underfunded too coz simply at the moment such effective regenerative medicine for "them" its better to stay ineffective coz various reasons [12 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_pluripotent_stem_cell#Safety)][12 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-7853208)] cant imagine what kind of would had have been achieved if instead for m'rna jabs such sums of experimental funds were thrown on these ipsc stem cells!

Must point that as layman would like to grasp what consequences would have Terrain Theory on immunology in context of antibodies, especially coz I held the belief that CBD is boosting Lymphocytes and they removing intruders in the organism!, what if wasnt case then how so cancer patients are getting healed by CBD!?

And if want to find firm opposition than that century ago probably would need to lean on more recent antivirology proponents among which one curious example would be dr, Robert Willner who maybe if didnt died soon after this next lecture would not be so unique case [1 (https://archive.is/29flZ#selection-3979.0-3979.157)][1 (https://archive.is/xZSOO#selection-12449.0-12515.34)][1 (https://odysee.com/@MIGMAG:3/virus-deception-history-dr-robert:7)] now was there some conspiracy hm if this next sentence is true then there is without doubt ~ "On his deathbed, Pasteur recanted, saying that Bernard [Claude Bernard] was right; "the Terrain is everything, the Germ is nothing!"" ~ plus the quoted link is excluded from archive.org hm hm hm [2 (https://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/you-cannot-catch-bugs-germs-bacteria-or-candidafungi)][2 (https://odysee.com/@bitjesus:9/thecause:f)]-?[2 (https://archive.is/2U7Bd#selection-721.0-721.125)] anyway bacteria fits their claim [3 (https://archive.is/x530Y#selection-1427.45-1431.38)][3 (http://www.freegrab.net/bacteria.htm)] ...

... but then how to be seen viruses they need to explain!, to what dr. Robert Malone would say "it is time to stop this nonsense that there is not a virus, claiming that a French institute claims they have isolated SARS-CoV-2, and claim that this is definitive proof that the virus is real" [4 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8268723/)] what was also addressed by dr. Tom Cowan in opening of the vlog episode about possible revisionism regards dna [5 (https://archive.is/D4Uwx#selection-2207.0-2299.38)][5 (https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2021/06/30/the-amino-age-and-the-new-abnormal-doctors/)] now what would be logical step after all this vlogging is to be seen invitation by the academia on open public debate where most sustained alternative theories would be compared with the mainstream one ideally on some eforum, till then trenching again and again in own band could prove toxic, tho good that on the both sides there is prevention knowhow the question is how effective will gets to our common health [6 (https://odysee.com/@Dr.TomCowan:8/snakevenom:a)]

Post Merge: A year ago

Wrong per'se dont remove intruders!, so this sounds bit unrelated to virology coz cancers are not seen as contagious pathogens like viruses are, altho it could be said by bioresonance logic that as viruses so as cancers can be passed from one to another organism by energetic entanglement, yet if so then eg. cellulite cells can too etc., or maybe not all cells have such bioresonant properties!?, hm wonder can be toxins also passed by bioresonant means eg. as "aetheral" bioshareware among organisms in same species!?, speculation that is vague by itself until its not narrowed the possibility of Bioresonance in first place how and why appear!

Probably need to emphasize that if CBD is indirectly treating side effects of sar'cov'2 [1 (https://archive.is/1Phvg#selection-2373.4-2379.6)] then if virology gets revision then immunology antibodies ECS and all i-processes overall should be revised too!, practically if terrain theory get grip pretty much whole Biology and Medicine would need till extremes to be reworked what looks extramely unlikely, but we can start focusing on Bioresonance eg. why different viruses or cells burst under different frequencies so would be found some pivot for research of Bioresonance ... tho one thing is observation while another causation yet if not else "electrotherapy" will become like that more researched [2 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-4125.83-4125.145)]

Actually I am learning for first time from this webinar what is the difference between germ and terrain theory, simply as layman couldnt unlist viruses anyhow but see that there is huge vacuum as in detection so as isolation and not less prevention trough vaccination, by some substantional evidence from bioresonance research in the past obviously that would be the missing puzzle, that tho even as such like part of the virology (determined by germ theory) it would take paradigm shift of whole Microbiology, what about if its completely is discarded germ theory and accepted terrain!, anyway the difference between the two seemingly is benign when seen from side as derived from Pleomorphism vs Monomorphism [1 (https://archive.is/n8vWb)][1 (https://odysee.com/@Dr.TomCowan:8/snakevenom:a?t=4630)][1 (https://www.joshwhotv.com/video/.7Hq9LA/dr-ardis-dr-cowan-dr-kaufman-and-dr-monzo)] and what to say it has also logic by bioresonance that by frequency it can be stimulated cells to shapeshift or change attributes, tho logic is one thing while observation other!

At least its known that frequencies do affect viruses (every cell actually) [2 (https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=106157)][2 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/post-1666683)] the question is can they direct them or reshape them or even merge them by particular pitch of radiation!?, and once now there is 3D-Trim tool around (3D live-cell microscopy method) [3 (https://archive.is/n1cpo#selection-1589.3-1593.1)][3 (https://www.photonicsonline.com/doc/ingenuity-instrumentation-creating-a-novel-d-microscopy-method-0001)][3 (https://www.welsherlab.org/dr-cjs-microscope-highlighted-by-mad-city-labs/)][3 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.17.473224v2.full)] all this (changes due to radiation) should be easily noticed as invitro bioresonant experimenting!, hm shall we live to see such imaging as regular scanning of Patients?, at least looks like potentially not expensive gadget that will revolutionize as the research in virology but also diagnosis, if indeed germ theory is still valid!?

Can you imagine the look on the faces of biologist that spent their entire lives "isolating" HIV, researching all its properties, making illustrations of the virion, decoding its genome, etc. It's very hard to denounce everything so quickly. I really want to be a "convert" and believe this notion, but there's a lot of unknowns. I'll continue following this topic, but I still have many questions

Also imagine the look of all biologists or md's when coming across some questioning what about debunking of germ theory, probably even for all patients its mindboggling notion to consider even a possibility that were diagnosed and treated by wrong medicine!, surely insurance companies too etc. affected directly or indirectly to the prevalent mainstream germ theory!, hm I do find interesting why havent been passed even as historical lesson terrain theory to students simply its suppressed and buried and I have really trouble finding pro and against expert debate from the past [1 (https://archive.is/s5MoG#selection-1391.0-1391.130)][1 (https://archive.is/EUakO#selection-3357.4-3369.101)]'[1 (https://archive.is/eNg29#selection-1203.18-1395.16)][1 (https://archive.org/stream/ASeriousIndictmentOfModernCellBiology/A%20Serious%20Indictment%20of%20Modern%20Cell%20Biology_djvu.txt)] almost as with aether in physics tho at least the same is mentioned there altho not anyhow learned as alternative theory what about to be researched as probability!

Thats why I say there should be wide and public academic debate so would be found the right approach for eventual revision, otherwise its built up wrong animosity instead cooperative debate, hm probably coz virology is too big to fail (think per'se due to eugenics but also) how far has gone the mandatory prevention by vaccines as if indeed all processes in the Cell were known altho as we can see still exosomes are not  understood completely, probably even the very process of protein printing by chromosomes i.e. as I am aware the last m'rna hype claimed the spike will not run around the organism yet it is, so is it maybe passed the m'rna instruction to other cells by some mechanism that is still unknown to us!?, here I speculate of course solely coz the wrong assurance that the spike protein will not pop up elsewhere but only in the place of inoculation yet it did altho that is attributed per'se on cytotoxicity [2 (https://archive.is/ELM5F#selection-1171.24-1297.25)][2 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-8317280)]~[2 (https://odysee.com/@lancewdetrick:b/Dr-Robert-Malone---Censored-for-Proving-Vaccine-Risks---TLAV-Interview-Jul-21:5?t=2519)][2 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/post-7845474)] but it could be as well case of hijack or corruption of the "artificial m'rna programing code", this heavy speculation could be logical if dna can be reprogrammed somehow and for that exist particular possibilities [3 (https://archive.is/XCdlo#selection-7185.186-7185.224)] tho probably its wrong to project that the m'rna vaccines have such effect tho till not ruled out as bioresonant possibility how we would know!?
Practically by the 2nd footnotes as could be seen its very hard to be debated even among scientists in the same germ theory camp, what about among opposite bands!, so until some huge discovery happens that will completely shake virology if not germ theory its unlikely that we will see revision, potentially open wide debate can contribute to paradigm shift towards incorporating bioresonance variables in virology, but that germ theory will be thrown adacta thats very unlikely even Pasteur would come and say I've plagiarized wrong ideas!, tho if eugenics somehow is exposed as "someones" still alive agenda maybe things will get bumpy ahead for virology!?

What I find tho problematic in terrain theory is if all cells are one and the same organism that can change constantly then logically we would have seen till now evidence for this, eventually it could be that by under specific circumstances that could be case but constant process, dont know maybe, actually if germ theory is problematic to me how is imposed dogmatically terrain theory is even more to me problem how is not elaborated neatly about all aspects at least I am still trying to get a clue where how to what cells can be applied as probability, tho if stand the day the virology and oncology should be treated in same manner [1 (https://youtu.be/xo3ejVKAePs)] tho for now I'll stick in both case to CBD as effective natural remedy instead juggling with still not fully effective vaccination or probiotic balancing!, tho do accept that blood alkalinity through the krebs cycle affects the viruses!

The problem with peer-reviewed academia:

https://twitter.com/robinmonotti/status/1661432475820720133

Good Point!, in case evaporates here is the assertion from the docu transcript [1 (https://archive.is/IphWY#selection-9477.0-9735.20)] yet again and again I'll remind all dont forger that as process it can be skewed easily [2 (https://archive.is/PSuNw#selection-1917.1-1917.80)] thus whats the odds for change if "plutocratic gatekeepers" hold it as hostage such mechanism!?, altho there is also huge conformism among scientists too whether afraid not to be fired or ridiculed if engage in open minded requestioning of virology!, fired coz such attitude would be bad pr whether for the company or the university (examples many), altho if universities release eTOS vibe as mandatory eforum debate even among students think things will start to roll on path to reaffirming if not revisioning of virology ...

Actually this issue bugs me a lot, coz first we would need to see stiffly regulated peer-review process so would expect any eventual revision what about paradigm shift!, simply now in opportunistic endless loop big pharma if not eugenicists will smoothly obstruct whatever revision, sadly but on misfortune as of Science so as Patients!, hm wonder would something at all change if we see Socialism ahead mids the western realm, mostly coz the cost benefit of vaccination for modern'covert'eugenics will be still high even the lucrative big'pharma'loop is removed!?

I wonder if documenting the peer reviewers would change their attitudes towards their approval of the ideas they're supposedly reviewing. Normally, the contributors reviewing the paper are not made public, nor is it a requirement for most journals.

Probably by independent auditing of the reviewers studies will be more difficult to be skewed or dismissed, but so we would see any eventual paradigm shift for that we would need constant academic debate among opposite sides in this case virology, what tho as eTOS system needs to be standardized and implemented by the academia!, altho its really discutable who from the opposite camp will have will to hang on academic eforums so we would see profound debate!

One person that is not mentioned in this thread but also vocal about the errors in virology is dr. ShivaA who sounds to me more as political  opposition regards his electoral ambitions even more an western antielitist alike megaphone that could expose ea-determinists and "their" wrong agendas (by the logic from the last 1st footnote due to eugenic and/or malthusian spins&skims) [1 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/k24Tj6subl0a/)][1 (https://www.bitchute.com/video/Vo4xCDSDyZnP/)][1 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=2054880.msg5422896#msg5422896)] than he would convince academia that followed wrong virological blueprint, altho it could be useful to be heard his immunological knowhow that as system theory revolves around orthodomolecular medicine [2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#COVID-19_misinformation)][2 (https://archive.is/Hus6T#selection-6055.0-6193.28)][2 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/vitamin-cure-for-alcoholism.127448)][2 (https://archive.is/weYcb#selection-1461.0-1469.319)][3 (https://wwg1wga-tv.de/view/dr-shiva-ayyadurai-mit-phd-biologist-why-bill-gates-big-pharma-hates-vitamin-c-rt-deutsch/Y7CLy)] but in context of his stance in this last footnote regards vit-c as cure for sars'cov'2 think he jumped to early with his conclusions coz due to the blood cloths correlation with covid'19 actually large doses of vit-c will act as coagulant and like that think doing greater damage than good [3 (https://defendingthetruth.com/t/silenced-science-topic-about-viruses.128048/#post-1668058)] also eg. in context of Copper he is not stressing enough how important is its balance with Zinc for our organism but just mentions it [3 (https://archive.is/tQBip#selection-6709.15-6847.30)]-[3 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/mrna-vaccine-risks.241340/page-3#post-7850197)] still his system theory its worthy for examination in context of natural immunity logic by him labeled as "systems immunology" tho not sure how or if at all aligns with terrain theory [4 (https://archive.ph/NUIbB#selection-901.25-1045.31)][4 (https://archive.is/L4c0H#selection-4227.10-4713.23)][5 (https://odysee.com/@drvashiva:d/dr-shiva-live-modern-theory-of-the:4)][5 (https://kickthemallout.com/article.php/V-Dr_Shiva_Ayyadurai-The_Real_Truth_About_Coronavirus_According_to_MIT_Biologist)][5 (https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=%20dr.%20shiva%20ayyadurai&kind=video&duration=feature)]

Maybe I am too optimistic that things will get more open minded and we will see reproof if not else of virology i.e. Biology by itself if not else to reexamine all the mainstream logic and requestion all probabilities of alternative theories, but becoming open minded could mean job loss coz if the bulk of ea-elites have eugenic mindset and "they" have then its almost futile to expect whatever paradigm shift if its waited one by one scientists to jump in public with own revision!, but if we see debate trend at least on dedicated scientific thematic ngo eforums maybe things will loosen or will emerge hype for confirming or requestioning virology!, what tho should be organized by universities so would provoke greater interest!, hm maybe at least one university in this World will have enough courage to provoke such inertia, and maybe somehow ideal ground now for such stunt it would be Russia where those institutes that researched bioresonance would open e~doors for revision not just virology and germ theory but torsion fields (or photonics) and cell communication coz if bioresonance plays even fringe role in context of virology that will open wide space for revisioning world wide ... actually this would be ace for Russia towards exposing any eventual wrong eugenic transhumanist and malthusian agendas of euroatlantic determinists, what will ask for political will per'se coz eventual plain scientific even in their case will be not easily doable due to the conformist humanist stamina of russian biologists!
 

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Another ace for Russia that forgot to mention is disbanding the fear porn around dod's biological weapons program in which invested time money and belief like noother counterpart in this World [1 (https://archive.is/f4mLd#selection-2121.383-2121.439)][1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/military-government-secret-experiments-biological-chemical-weapons-2016-9)] which if collapses as science in context of virology will make usaf pretty crippled if we know that its considered that biowarfare its their largest hope for survival any eventual ww3 at the moment (simply coz lagging behind in all engineering fields in comparison to their eastern counterparts, mostly due to expensive and decentralized tech innovating!), so guess if virology collapses as is currently postulated that will means huge blow as to usaf pr so as to its "ultimate might"!, tho its question how Russia is willing to expose any eventual errors in virology coz simply like this now how all focus is in error simply its beneficial to its military balance where всрф (raf) has upper hand in chemical warfare as I am aware!, So its not certain ace that Russia will play that game, altho if we know that a.i. will speed up the experimental hype in this field simply it goes on hand for Russia to provoke revision of virology coz like that will have chance to secure its citizens from paranoia psyop regards any future plandemix'fear'porn ~ tho as matter of fact whole world population, so it wont get fooled again to fell for the bionic&genetic jabs mainly coz panopticon purposes but not less important for advanced psyop manipulation and emf conditioning!

Another point thats worthy to be mentioned regards the previous post, is ShivaA email controversy which now is exploited extra in black agitprop purposes i.e. how he is not credible voice as liar, which sounds like the hoaxing mantra against Nikola Tesla in its time [2 (https://www.computerworld.com/article/2722291/noam-chomsky-disputes-email-history.html)] but what how is fiercely pushed seen from side points that his claims are maybe on right track!, yet dod to risk such simple dismantling of its huge biowarfare hype and now tied to viruses hiving agenda through bionic jabs its almost unimaginable his theory to get any mainstream scientific grip!, yet again its healthy for usaf too to see its fallacy of security agendas resting on science in vacuum, hm surely generals will be most difficult to be convinced to requestion virology, altho what by covert means is secured by egenic grip on the academia!, so it cant be said where who would should or can cut the viral gordian knot, coz that same event could push inertia towards requestioning by magnitude of the wrong utopian humanist ideals also, fears that hold all western elites hostages to obsolete theories and empiricism now in despair expecting that as such will be resolved by quantum comps and machine learning hype, hm error is error even when is pumped on steroids, good meme for this would be Anatoly the Cleaner [3 (https://www.youtube.com/@vladimirfitness/videos)]

Not much to add beyond what you said, but these are all really great ideas that you're proposing. I wonder if these are your own ideas?

The part about Russia taking control of the so-called biolabs, I never really correlated that with virology. Perhaps the West is trying to discredit this because the conclusions that arise from it could be a devastating blow to the rheteric.

Authorship Assigned Accidentally ... ideas that popped up due to mosaic reasoning on eforums while trying to dot available info on net!, altho cant claim perfect validity of my reasoning simply coz I am nor biologist nor natural scientist as matter of fact but just random dude who saw the effectiveness of correctly used etool like eforum, thats why I am constantly shouting we need immediately eTOS vibe where we will see 24/7 debates among experts when guess many topics will get utmost clarity if those debates are moderated neatly and participation unburdened from ego for what it should be mandatory nickname presence instead title bragging or selfcensuring!, simply how we are examining science currently its almost like past century readers news letters, if at all some scientist find time to share his opposite stance to the academia and the wider public, tho now done in blog alike manner but one way communication its just waste of time when in question is still open field for chasing or cleaning prevalent mainstream theories, long story short eTOS asks for eforums but also blogs/vlogs and soc.nets too so all debate would be sized in right manner instead like now when is pushed completely wrong [1 (http://)]

About Russia I am trying to see by probable logic whether eventual paradigm shift could come from their side, coz from euroatlantic for sure will not come as I've said eugenics is "their" motor thus cant be expected that shooter will shoot itself in the head [2 (https://archive.is/gEbkk#selection-1663.0-1681.36)][2 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-6769.1-6769.333)][2 (https://archive.is/99Zso#selection-2355.655-2355.956)] but who knows maybe the trigger will go by itself!?, if didnt already coz after the failed covert plandemix its obvious that transhumanism and genetic&bionic revolution is slipped in wide experimental mode tho from start dread and faulty, to "their" misfortune and to our luck coz now we have some space for awakening to "their" wrongness of neopagan deistic agendas and respond by citizens disobedience if again try to push up such inertia!, otherwise we will be doomed on mengelian alike history repeating but on steroids, after all we are talking for the same enlightened western pool of humanists longing for some heaven'on'earth and superhumanity even that was pushed by utmost wrong trials&errors even we were all coerced to be guineapigs!, So we need as fast as possible eTOS compactness if not else so would be stopped that wrong eugenic inertia!

Cheers!

Didn't Russia play along with that idea also? They too implemented COVID restrictions:


https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-health-coronavirus-pandemic-business-42d0c14f0545371e16a360b677cb4c38

If that's the case, how can we rely on them? It's important that we approach this topic with logical reasoning rather than relying on speculative assumptions. Anyone who puts their trust in people are in for a rude awakening.

I assume that Russia could brake the silence coz didnt imposed mandatory vaxing but went with the vaxing flow so would not risk eventual internal social paranoia due the global fear psyop, but also released own jab so its population at best would not get hooked on the m'rna hype what by itself says big if not else about their awareness  that the m'rna tech is far from safe to be employed on such defacto widest experimental scale in the world!, what additionally suggests that Russia is not part of one and the same transhumanist agenda, (hm maybe have own who knows tho not probable coz the Russian Orthodox Church is in extra grip with the current leadership) and all this potentially opens space to be seen any eventual revision momentum there, but if and only if their academic and political will is unburdened from humanistic fears i.e. how the rest of the world will embrace such hype coming from there, simply now Russia need and want to keep its rows as normal as possible so would not leave whatever opportunity to be exploited in whatever propaganda way by its western counterparts, ~ in my opinion at the moment ~, coz the current geopolitical clime will not last forever, yet even when such risks will disappear and its found space for faster steps towards mainstream academic revision think even then "many" will try to stall if already cant suppress such momentum whether from eugenic or lucrative motive behind the current by pharmacy kidnapped medicine!, yet again once the ball will start rolling eventually will lead to scientific clarity for what in my opinion eTOS vibe could help big time as leverage ...

It would have been interesting if PyotorG was still alive and such eTOS hype around [1 (https://youtu.be/XKGCnpIDjbQ)][1 (https://archive.is/ubLeA#selection-3131.228-3137.2)][1 (https://archive.is/uMZWi#selection-1493.118-1529.25)][2 (https://archive.is/GAJDf#selection-2623.19-2677.70)][3 (https://archive.is/GAJDf#selection-1783.0-1793.5)][4 (https://archive.is/eUb10#selection-7677.455-7677.476)] when probably he would had have set free quickly even the current reductionist academia to grasp that they have incomplete models and laws of understanding Biology!, logically every revolution in Science asks for pivot if not motivation and PyotrG is/was indeed such!, still nor he nor anyone else will achieve quick revision how things are laid now as closed research filtered by dogmatized peer-review process!, and not that eTOS will bring change by itself but if and when many are pulled and tied in constant dedicated debate as scientists will have far more productive vibe of push toward any eventual revisionism!, what would be healthy fluid organic global scientific push towards clarity and acceptance of the fact that the current path at best is derailed in large extent how rests on faulty physics [2 (https://archive.is/eUb10#selection-3437.13-3437.65)] from which aspect would be also questionable even Pyotors theory as tied to quantum physics, and more likely the relation more correctly should pass from torsion fields and electromagnetism towards cells and bioresonance [3 (https://archive.is/DwQqu#selection-14185.0-14189.188)] and from there to be chased answers for virology ... think things are more simple regards basic structuring and communication in Biology coz by itself chemical processes without the coded information are not enough to answer the complexity of Life Symbiosis and Entropy, especially not if know there are also intervened other realms of existence whether seen as energy consciousness or Angelic Hierarchy logically influencing the Life as we can just romantically imagining, altho even that is passed to us as knowhow i.e. that through spoken words we can influence even greater changes if for that are met the right conditions, tho coz religion is thrown ad'acta by humanism as at least idea worthy to be explored thus such metaphysics is even farer than bioresonance i.e. completely to be understood by scientific terms Our Existence what about Our Almighty Lord Omnipotence, hm simply by using different instrument instead The Hearth (as Nous [4 (https://archive.is/5GVkJ#selection-6755.1-6767.1)] reductionist scientists cant pass beyond the mechanistic model of interaction between spheres, and that by itself is shallowly wrong approach for chasing apotheosis as "their" maecenas lust for!, tho "there" are surely factions among "them" that are aware that humanism its limited how is manufactured leading only to wasted trial&error time, yet the mainstream bulk of "them" persistently are trying to reassert to all "their" assurance for exceptional errorless path towards superhumanity, hek what as consequence will throw "them" in despair once grasp that projected all "their" might and knowledge on the wrong side of the street!, and "them" hm we will waste another turns of awakening till logically finally wake up to that fact of selfdelusion by deterministic humanism!, Hope not and someone will become bold enough to stop "their" madness of tweaking by force wrong physics chemistry and biology and like that expecting eureka!, stupid!, to put it politely!, tho go stay polite while "they" are covertly tweaking wonnabe transhumanism by wrong basis!, tho for that we would need something like eTOS and DonaldT alike independent lets check it realist who will check by ears if not legs also eugenics!, coz that very same not just agenda but spear is in hands of "those" neopagan euroatlantic determinists!, pity we've lost momentum earlier The Man had have big time hands tied by constant remirroring of "their" agitprop machines hooking extra time on PR polishing what if as free time was spent on this kind hype for revision of virology would had have been way epic i.e. dismantling not just the wrong unipolar geopolitical mindset of globalist but the more essential goal of "theirs" towards apotheosis through some biogenetic superhumanity for what the current synthetic biology contributes also with utmost wrong trials&errors by large margin, actually seen simplified its clash between Christianity and neopaganism (tho coz the last wrong wide experimental pandemix and jabs now its opened door for huge requestioning of everything even for the earlier manipulated president like DonaldT who eventually will regain credence now if admit that was lured on warpspeeding by DoD coz it was caught by surprise to coup with psyop issue useful for geopolitical exploit regard China and Tariffs, plus now all geopolitical hype is stirred completely towards ww3 thus eventually by his independent reasoning to be put emphasis on this kind of requestioning Virology and through it Biology or vice versa, hm it would be quite enough defocusing for all from already known outcome from the ukrainian globalist spin (done coz final polarization before reset of western capitalism and democracy towards western socialism and technocracy) what coz hit a bump it could be now cushioned ideally like this through Wide Opening of the system at least on this scientific level having more proactive space for reexamining all alternative theories regards all natural sciences of course ...all in all many possibilities but we will need to wait and see till which extremes are ready ea-determinists to throw us all in ordo'ab'chao scenario what even DonaldT again was reelected its question whether the geopolitical cauldron will not boil up till fast delivery service for all by phone order [4 (https://politicalhotwire.com/t/how-who-and-why-ww3-started-in-2008.248773/post-8197885)])

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1672014260480901120

Highly recommended watch from Tucker Carlson

TuckerC can pass only suspicious hype that will engage only the curious public to tilt out emptyhanded in front of tv or comps, while eventual revisionism should come from the academia itself ...

... regards Bioresonance on west for now most closest attempt would be the Global Consciousness Project [1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project)][1 (https://archive.is/Y8NeC)][1 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/global-consciousness-crystals-and-ai/2856)] where noosphere is taken as pivot [2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200923154446/https://www.newunivars.com/2020/01/noosphere.html)][2 (https://archive.is/cnhVK#selection-6997.431-6997.491)] but think its better first to be focused on the micro than the macro research for what good pivot would be buxters "screaming" experiments [3 (https://archive.is/QT1Py#selection-2457.179-2457.645)] along gariaevs emf imprints of our organism, to this also kirlian measurements can be further expanded ideally to an organism monitored through 3D-TrIm Microscopy  [4 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=2054205.msg5417802#msg5417802)] I can just imagine how huge opportunity is such microscopy regards observation of eventual emf interference on cells etc. etc. but what as always will be met with huge margin of skepticism whatever observed if contradicts the current mainstream hype!. and if it was hard to be accepted simple revelation in the same eg. regards stem cells [5 (https://archive.is/5kRuW#selection-2253.0-2257.1)] then how much more will be buried eventual bioresonant vibe in the academia, hope the newer generations will not be so blindly programed, or!?, but eventually it would not be allowed to us by Higher Force complete mastering of Life in context of Biology if that is not to our benefit what could be messed up easily coz the current deterministic mindset asks for firm repentance of the experiments what on such bioresonant level could be easily skewed by (lets say) noosphere hacking not known to us as science [6 (https://archive.is/efaB5#selection-1651.0-1693.33)][6 (https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/geii/maestria/Intercatedra/SENSUM/The%20DNA%20Phantom%20Effect.htm)]

... anyway in context of viruses and immunology probably first field that should be extensively researched as bioresonance is our ECS System and how the same boosts Lymphocytes and/or as some say through CBD even the Stem Cells [7 (https://biology-forums.com/index.php?topic=1975202.msg5414388#msg5414388)]

... in context here is useful info from Solari Report ... the quote is from the transcript of the next presentation on 1h:30m ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgdyXh4m9Mc

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This sounds pretty smooth like silk explanation at least for those that are biologically literate, yet think CleaveB case of lets say experience with bioresonance goes on more conscious level where in his knockouts is using complex organisms eg. like Plants i.e. where he is getting readings on his polygraph by sending particular positive or negative thought and getting response [1 (https://youtu.be/M2ezqEAG_vA)][1 (https://archive.is/PtzVL#selection-8885.32-9073.24)][1 (https://archive.is/QT1Py#selection-2431.0-2439.293)] cant imagine what kind of creative invention strike he got when construct the polygraph and meditated on its use!, also somehow similar results will get MasaruE with the water crystals, and this with PyotrG DNA mirroring would be microcosmic echo that opens space for reexamination not just how Light is live career of bioinfo waves but how Sun is maybe energetic portal to higher realms ...

... altho till we reach complete understanding for cosmological bioresonant interactions ~ as it looks probably the choked by determinism humanists will trap many in man'machine'hype ~ than as academia would get fast enough to revert that momentum and reach revision in Biology and/or Virology, dont need to repeat the multilevel reasons why, or!?, essentially Life for them is mechanistic by default as western science on top secured by ultra'wrong'exceptionalism of selfdelusional ego that even when wrong dont leave space for revision, for what per'se think neoplatonism is at fault, still if eTOS vibe burst ahead among the scientists we can hope cyborg "utopia" will be evaded!, practically as could be seen by the second 1st footnote some faction among euroatlantic determinists are aware about this need for revision but probably the eugenic one that is heavily resting on the neoplatonic utopian hype is keeping the mainstream veil dipped in halfliterate reductionism at best, tho needed so would claim inheritance of neopagan alchemic exceptionalism along the western imperialism as victory of western neopaganism over Christianity!, Please skip this rooting digression and focus on planting revision!

The next quoted joke think levels up all in context why revision altho inevitable still will wait a better days coz simply all mainstream science is still stuck in live sand as unified theory of life and/or everything  "Chemistry is the part of physics that physicists dont understand, while Biology is the part of physics and chemistry that physicists and chemists dot understand!" [1 (https://youtu.be/ec0G3_vzxqI?t=2183)] with less than probable chance anytime soon to reach effective understanding coz simply tilt in wrong models [2 (https://youtu.be/5D9HkoHScdY)][2 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/wal-thornhill-is-a-complete-fraud-thunderbolts-project-debunked/11119/5)][2 (https://archive.is/0NWSi#selection-3437.0-3437.64)] what tho has also own wrong idealist causality that serves as guiding path for euroatlantic determinists [3 (https://archive.is/MWviM#selection-6227.137-6227.592)][3 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/can-haarp-experiments-do-greater-good-or-greater-evil/8360/15)][3 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/on-transhumanism/11041/5)] that draw vibe from their neopagan ancestors and "their" wrong humanistic alchemy [4 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-5223.304-5223.352)][5 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-7163.145-7175.358)] on what we can just observe and wait to see when that selfdelusional scientic exceptionalism will hit some wall or hole and then after many if not all to wake up from "their" sleepwalking lobotomy imposed as noreturn till man'machine'superhumanity century ago [6 (https://archive.is/eSMyr#selection-10299.53-10343.1)][6 (https://archive.is/cnhVK#selection-3911.327-3911.422)][6 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-9709.1-9713.1)] that is official marching hype for cross agency implementation in usA [6 (https://archive.is/pQfX2#selection-1573.0-1581.92)][6 (https://archive.is/SuaKZ#selection-7293.0-7293.69)][6 (https://archive.is/GoKhj#selection-9685.815-9685.843)]

Anyway, some steps as shamefully popularized alternative theories can be seen by chasing bioresonance through quantum physics, yet in context of the 2nd footnotes reasoning that/this is also wrong vacuum cleaning methodology [7 (https://bigthink.com/hard-science/quantum-biology-mutation/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2GGTEV_hXtpmnJDWfVvL-ylpOOl3UeCoAOiNUpUJf1Nnj39sOcYXeo_lc#Echobox=1687819395-1)][7 (https://www.youtube.com/@TheRoyalInstitution/search?query=quantum%20biology)][7 (https://youtu.be/74MUjUj7bp8?t=28)]

Essentially whatever alternative hype would be useful, yet personally think that as revisionist pivot should be taken combinations of RE (radiant energy) in physics [8 (https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/124534-extended-field-theory/page/3/#comment-1171041)][8 (https://forum.gizadeathstar.com/t/can-haarp-experiments-do-greater-good-or-greater-evil/8360/37)] and to it eg. as Electric Universe Cosmology maybe to be added koziereves torsion fields and garaievs dna mirroring or symbiotic consciousness [9 (https://youtu.be/GKIU4iYhgIc?t=558)][10 (https://web.archive.org/web/20150108200340/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4w5xYLwiU)][10 (http://www.build.mk/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=468&PID=175107#175107)][11 (https://archive.is/0NWSi#selection-6375.0-6375.449)] etc. remixes that will be reexamined also through Microbiology, to point simply alternative theories as in physics so as chemistry and biology should be opened for interchangeable revisioning!, but if mainstream historiography its painful to be requestioned as more randomly skeptic, then how much more stiff repulsion would exist among seemingly exact mainstreamers of natural sciences!?, so probably and eventually Asteroid would pause their exceptionalism and leave space alt.theories to breath freely ... good candidate half decade ahead would be apophysis tho there are many other that come handy!, hm what if they are virus alike messengers on cosmic level!?, passing good or wrong info, depending how now we will or could use or misused it!, hm hm hm out of box reasoning could point that indeed macro and micro cosmos are intertwined as conscious organism that once we would astray invoke reset in this case of "their" wrong neopagan reset of our true nature ... ha Angels playing marbles!