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Title: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 26, 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondola_lift

What is the maximum load carrying capacity of a Gondola Lift?

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 27, 2019
Depends on the make, model, and use. Some are designed to ship heavy bulk commodities such as scrap metal, aggregates, logs, lumber, scrap steel, etc. These have a huge load bearing capabilities. (See Source)

For Gondolas that transport people, they can usually hold around 600 kg in total weight.



Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 27, 2019

Thanks.

Attached Gondola lift images.

Can a Single Gondola lift withstand 1 ton i.e. 1000 kgs ?

What will be the different formulas involved for calculating a single Gondola lift maximum load capacity ?

Example :

Point  A (Mountain) - Point B (Mountain).
Say there are n=5 Gondolas lifts moving at
30 kms/hr.

Note : I do not have user experience as I have not travelled by Gondola lift.

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 27, 2019
If there is a formula, it'd have to include the cable grade, cable strength, cable girth, cable length, train weight, material used to build the arm, etc. There are too many factors that'd need to be accounted for for this formula to work consistently with all gondola types. When they make these, these rely both on formulas, and physical testing. I found online that most passenger gondolas can hold up to 12 people; just like most high-rise elevators.


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 27, 2019
Thank you.

It will be interesting to trace the maximum load carrying capacity of the Gondola lift.

It will be also interesting to trace the different factors which can contribute to increase the carrying capacity of the Gondola lift.

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 27, 2019
It would, but it largely depends on information we already know about the materials being used to construct the train. We know that the strength of steel increases with thickness, so if we want a heavy duty lift, it'd have to be made with thick steel cables. Here's an example of a load test done on an escalator:

https://youtu.be/t6pNLog15PQ


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 28, 2019
Thanks.

Gondola lift images.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gondola+lift&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjnuZSv-KTkAhXYznMBHbFYBpQQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=gondola+lift&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...0.0..19026...0.0..0.0.0.......0.EFX7tAEDWq8&ei=ex9mXaeQKtidz7sPsbGZoAk&bih=592&biw=360&prmd=nimv

Interestingly what I observe from the Google images of Gondola Lift, is there can be more than one handles.

I.e.

Handle = 1,2,3,4. This factor can also make a difference i.e. Number of Handles in calculation of Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: duddy on Aug 28, 2019
Just to give you an idea of the type of math involved in these kinds of calculation, download the two attachments below. Engineering has come a long way ;)


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 28, 2019
Thanks.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gondola+lift+in+switzerland&prmd=inmv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi__962yqXkAhX36nMBHbcQBjEQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=360&bih=592

Time to reach from Switzerland to Italy by Gondola Lift = Number of Days/Weeks?

Are there Cable Stations between Switzerland and Italy for Halts? If yes, What are their names?

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 28, 2019
Where is Italy and Switzerland are we starting and stopping?


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 28, 2019
Thanks.

Start point : Switzerland - Start Station
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End point : Italy - End Station

Can we locate points in between for the Station names where the Gondola lift will be halting for some time?

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 29, 2019
Sorry for the late response.

From this we can see that the distance from Rome to Bern is 926 km.

The typical speed of a gondola is 21.7 km/h (13.5 mph).

Doing the math \(926km\times \frac{1h}{21.7km}=42.7hours\)


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 29, 2019
Thank you.

Can you let me know the Gondola Lift stations names which halts in the 42.7 hours journey with the Halt time from Rome to Bern?

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 29, 2019
The calculation was done to give you an idea of the time it'd take if one existed -- it's purely hypothetical. There are better means of transport (plane, car, train, etc.) Gondolas are meant for short distances, and when other means of transport are inaccessible.


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 29, 2019
Thank you.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/crossing-the-alps_cable-car-to-be-built-between-switzerland-and-italy/44785354

Can we give the Station names for this journey with the Halt time at each station?

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 29, 2019
Keep in mind that this connected from mountain to mountain, and there are no stops. From the article, it states that the complete trip is 4000 meters, so 4 km. The station names are also provided in the article: from Italy it's Testa Grigia, from Switzerland it's Matterhorn Glacier


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 29, 2019
Thanks.

Gondola constructed price URL :
https://www.google.com/search?q=gondola+lift+construction+price&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjr_9y60qfkAhXHxHMBHa-3CrMQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=gondola+lift+construction+price&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...0.0..18865...0.0..0.0.0.......0._1JJKYYdDfA&ei=YopnXevGJceJz7sPr--qmAs&bih=592&biw=360&prmd=sinv

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 29, 2019
Thanks.

Gondola lift exterior and interior colours.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=07ZnXYOIH52evQSljpzACw&q=Gondola+Lift+exterior+and+interior+colours&oq=Gondola+Lift+exterior+and+interior+colours&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...2187.22149..23389...0.0..0.184.3641.0j27......0....1.......0..0j0i24j33i10.00Cwf7Xurpg

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 29, 2019
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Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 29, 2019
Thanks.

Gondola Lift Geometrical shapes discussions.

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=kHRoXaDeIYzmvgTAkIr4AQ&q=Gondola+Lift+Geometrical+shapes&oq=Gondola+Lift+Geometrical+shapes&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.12...1514.13327..14454...0.0..0.169.3094.0j23......0....1.......0..0j0i8i30j0i24j30i10.C1Fcgq95mgo#imgrc=6EWh-aCeob5JnM


Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 29, 2019
If we consider the 3D version for each shape, we get a sphere, triangular prism, cube, and rectangular prism.

A sphere is a bad idea because you'd need to create an extension at the top to secure it. If you've ever hung a tree ornament, you'd know they easily fall off the tree. I'd say the same thing for a triangular prism because it has only 2 vertices at the top to secure it. Therefore, you're better off using a cube or rectangular prism


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 30, 2019

Thanks.

The Gondola Lift Geometrical shape can be a contributing factor for calculation of maximum Load carrying capacity?

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 30, 2019

Thanks.

URL :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BGshnzIbp0

One of the popular songs in Bollywood movie
 "An evening in Paris" having Gondola Lift rides.

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: bio_man on Aug 30, 2019
Thanks. The Gondola Lift Geometrical shape can be a contributing factor for calculation of maximum Load carrying capacity? Thanks & Regards, Prashant S Akerkar

Geometry definitely matters. See my illustration below.

PS: the singer is trying too hard :lol:


Title: Re: Gondola Lift Load carrying capacity.
Post by: prashantakerkar on Aug 30, 2019
Thanks.

Interesting observation.

The Actor & Actress are wearing red colour attire which are matching with the Red colour of Swiss Flag in the song. Also in the song are Red colour chairs.

Attached Swiss Flag images.

Thanks & Regards,
Prashant S Akerkar