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11 years ago
I was just reading the Wikipedia article on the Kiang, after seeing the creature featured in the BBC TV series "Planet Earth".

I was a little confused by something that was stated:

"The kiang (E. kiang) is related to the onager or Asiatic Wild Ass (E. hemionus), and some authorities classify it as a subspecies of onager, E. hemionus kiang, though recent molecular studies indicate that it is a distinct species."

I was under the impression that speciation is defined at a physiological level - i.e. speciation is considered to have occurred when two populations are no longer able to interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

So, HOW do you tell that E.kiang is a different species from E. hemionus on the basis of a molecular study? Are they simply talking about chromosomal number (which isn't really molecular)? Estimated %age difference in sequence would seem a fairly meaningless way to define a new species.

I'm quite confused - can anyone shed light on this for me?
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11 years ago
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11 years ago
When I studied conservation genetics this was my understanding:
Say you have two geographically isolated populations of wallaby. In one population you might come across a mutation. In most isolated popns there is little immigration or migration, so you typically get lots of inbreeding. What that means, is that thre is a high incidence of that mutation being passed on to the next generation, and thus maintaining the new genetic code. If you were then to sample the two populations (usually hair tubing) and compared the code for a particular dna sequence, you would find variations between each of those populations. Based on this, then could you not say that these two populations are, in fact, two different sub-species? They share similar physiological features, but have genetic variation. Genetic information can show clear distinctions between populations, such as clinal variation, which could then be defined to be a seperate sub-spp. with new adaptations, varying morphology and possibly even differing behaviour. Obviously, you would not count one base variation to define a new sub-species, this would probably be considered a mutation. The same argument goes for morphology; when do you define a new sub-species when there is such morphological variation within a species (this example can be quite clear in butterflies)?
In understanding population differences based on genetic variation, we can understand population movement, adaptation and, importantly, conservation.
Hope that helps a little.
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11 years ago
First off, there are many definitions or concepts of what a species is. This classical article by Alan Templeton
http://www.omniscellula.net/simposi/articles/speciation.pdf
provides a review of some of them.

Now, as I see it, the statement that you cite is not referring to the typical definition that you mentioned (Ernst Mayr's "biological species concept", based on reproductive isolation). Rather, it is referring to the quantification of divergence of continuous characters between populations. These divergences are usually assessed either by morphological analyses, or by measurements of the differences in the structure of given molecules and macromolecules (proteins, histocompatibility complex, nuclear and mitochondrial DNA, etc).

BTW, here's another article on species definition that discusses a "genotypic cluster definition" of species:
http://abacus.gene.ucl.ac.uk/jim/pap/mallet95tree.pdf
that may be a good approximation to a genetic/molecular definition of species.

Molecular divergence can be measured, but the significance of these divergences is ultimately arbitrary, that is, the researchers  decide, based on their calibrations of divergence between other populations, if the discrepancy is large enough that it can be interpreted as different species, or if there is enough internal molecular variability within those populations that the differences among them are not significant (as has been demonstrated for most of the variation among and within human populations).
See this example:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/4d9ku0ppcm6t0xjy/
where the divergence between two populations was compared with other species pairs to decide if they should be considered as separate species.

As you probably know, sometimes (well, often) the results of morphological and molecular approaches do not agree with each other, because there are some major methodological differences, and the sources of data are quite different. However, combined approaches are (IMHO) what we the biologists should be working for.
Ultimately, I think these issues are consequences of our inbuilt need to put things into neat little boxes, that clashes with the infinite continuum of nature :-)
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