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CarbonRobot CarbonRobot
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Does nature favor the creation of certain molecules? Perhaps there is a table of the odds of certain molecules being created? I think at the atomic level most of the universe might be light elements, but energy wise everything heads in the direction of iron. I was wondering if biology has any concepts like that?
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A year ago Edited: A year ago, bio_man
Hi CarbonRobot

Absolutely, nature does favor the creation of certain molecules. Molecules are favored due to the properties of the elements that compose them. For example, in the presence of hydrogen and oxygen, water is formed because both oxygen and hydrogen possess the properties necessary to form a molecular bond. The same cannot be said for helium and oxygen, as helium is an inert gas. This is the same reason why metals are not found in nature in their pure elemental form. Aluminum, the most abundant metal on Earth, needs to be carefully extracted (for instance, when aluminum is mined, it is typically found in the form of bauxite ore). The reason for this is that metals readily and vigorously react in the presence of oxygen. We could argue that the most abundant molecules are those favored by nature.
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A year ago
I mean biologically. Like certain proteins, certain lipids, certain enzymes, etc?
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A year ago
Proteins and enzymes evolved in response to the molecules that were already present in nature. There's a famous experiment called the Stanley Miller experiment of 1953 were the researcher created a closed system that mimicked the primitive Earth's atmosphere, consisting of water vapor, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen. He then subjected this mixture to energy sources like electric sparks to simulate lightning and heat. After running the experiment for several days, he found that amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, had formed in the apparatus. To me, this suggests that proteins and enzymes are produced in response to natural molecules that are present. Evolution of these enzymes is in response to nature, not the other way around. Nature doesn't evolve around the molecules produced by biological beings.

Let's look at this from a different perspective. Why is the protein keratin so abundant in the animal kingdom? It literally makes up the composition of hair, finger nails, feathers, beaks, etc. While the protein is abundant, there are different types and structures of keratin, this diversity reflects the adaptability and versatility of this protein family. This diversity is also due to the what's already available in nature. Nature selects why certain types should belong to certain groups of animals.

CarbonRobot Author
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A year ago
That's what I'm asking. Certain molecules more likely? Perhaps these simpler molecules have better odds of being made, or have more flexibility towards variations of itself once created? There must be a lot of molecules that could exist, but have never been found?
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A year ago
Biological molecules, such as proteins and enzymes, are produced based on an organism's DNA. The DNA is transcribed into mRNA, and this mRNA is then translated into protein. The question is complex because, to me, it's no different than asking, 'Are certain proteins/enzymes more likely?' My answer to that is yes. There are families of proteins that have been discovered, and they are found in a wide range of organisms that are completely unrelated to each other, such as a fly and a human. There are many theories that explain why this is true, but delving into them would take us off-topic.

If we go deeper and focus strictly on organic molecules like carbohydrates and nucleotides, we can use basic principles of chemistry and physics to explain why they are so abundant. This goes back to my earlier response regarding how atoms come together based on the properties of the individual elements. Some elements are simply more reactive than others, leading to the formation of more molecules containing those elements.

I feel like I'm babbling here. Grinning Face with Smiling Eyes What molecule are you thinking of, anyway?
CarbonRobot Author
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A year ago
None in particular. I hear some say the prospect of life as we know it coming from the primordial ozz was a long shot. Just wondering if anything improved the odds by making some things that we're not made of less likely to be made instead and wasting valuable time and space.
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A year ago
While I did cite that original study which lead to the idea of life starting off as a "primordial ooze", as a person of science, I don't necessarily subscribe to it.

Scientists are always in pursuit of explanations to impossible questions, and while this study provides us with a starting point, it falls short in some key aspects. In the Miller-Urey experiment, a mixture of gases, including methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), water vapor (H2O), and hydrogen (H2) was used to simulate the most abundant molecules presumed to exist in the earth's atmosphere 3 to 4 billion years ago. They also introduced electricity to mimic lightning, resulting in the production of amino acids, which are the fundamental building blocks of proteins. What somewhat weakens my confidence in this experiment is that not all amino acids are created equal. While glycine was indeed produced in the experiment, it happens to be the simplest amino acid in terms of its structural composition compared to the rest. Its chemical structure is shown below for reference:



It's quite easy to see how related this molecule is to ammonia for example coupled with methane. I suppose an answer to your question about why certain molecules are more prevalent than others, we can explore hydrocarbons. As the name implies, hydrocarbons consist of carbon-hydrogen (C-H) bonds. In general, due to carbon's unique atomic ability to form stable covalent bonds, hydrocarbons in turn are very stable molecules and common amongst all living things. Variations in the arrangement of carbon atoms in hydrocarbons give rise to different organic compounds, and hence they are selected for in nature. Thus, all roads eventually lead back to this statement I made earlier:

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Molecules are favored due to the properties of the elements that compose them.
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