Taking a sample of skin?

Skin is what you observe on the person's exterior. He said the doctor noted that he was burnt from the inside-out.

That's probably what the doc meant. He took a sample of skin in the burnt area, found that the deeper layers were more severely burnt, then concluded the burns came from the inside.

It's not rocket science!

When you make outrageous claims, you need to back it up with proof. Saying the doctor took a skin sample is nonsense, and following it up with "It's not rocket science!" makes you look like an idiot. I feel offended that you take me as an idiot. According to you - I'm assuming - the doctor surgically removed some skin from this guy and examined it under a microscope and found it had burnt inside out. What types of burns? Skin is several layers of cells thick, and you'd need to go to a specialist to have something like this done - I know, I had something similar done where they even used local anaesthetics and I ended up with a scar.

Yes, ''doctor' and specialist may be interchanged by some people.

A doc could've referred to a specialist with the sample, then reported back over the phone!

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Scientists and sceptics have an allergy to things unexplained - they like to give the impression that science has it all sown-up. There are also those scientists who have made complete fools of themselves with the wick effect explanation. But as you can see among the answers, denial is always the last resort of a scoundrel.

Just because you can't backup the claims you're making, doesn't give you the right bash all scientists. Deep down inside, you know this is purely rubbish, but since you've internalized this subject for so many years, you've lost your common sense. We live in the 21st century, people don't believe things as easily as before due to reason and logic - something all humans are born with. Why do you think there are less and less religious folks out there? A lot of what never could be explained in the past can now be explained with reason - science has just be a vehicle for most people. As soon as the camera/video camera was invented, very few miracles have been documented because claims like the ones you make are easily debunked.

This is silly, seriously

Of course SHC can be explained.

Let me summarise. Prion proteins are mutated enzymes. They have too many disulfide bonds, because of this, they can survive even extremes of 600 C~! (If you don't believe the CDC, I'm leaving.) http://www.cdc.gov/biosafety/publications/bmbl5/BMBL5_sect_VIII_h.pdf

Now imagine that metabolic enzymes were produced with many more disulfide bonds stabilising the structure from heat - just like prion proteins. Now imagine a mechanism similar to malignant hyperthermia. People suffering from malignant hyperthermia die from the fever, but imagine that the metabolic enzymes which produced this heat were mutated in a way that they had so many disulfide bonds, they could reach the temperature needed to heat the skin to a high enough temperature that clothing, skin fat, etc could combust.

Priors reside in the brain. Furthermore, I looked through the link you provided and there was no reference to prions working at temperatures greater than 600 degrees. This was the only thing that mentioned temperature at all, and it doesn't relate to human beings or anything of the nature you discussed in your post.

Brown P, Rau EH, Johnson BK, Bacote AE, Gibbs CJ, Jr, Gajdusek DC. New
studies on the heat resistance of hamster-adapted scrapie agent: threshold
survival after ashing at 600 degrees C suggests an inorganic template of
replication. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA. 2000;97:3418–3421. doi: 10.1073/
pnas.050566797

I'm not going to imagine anything without proof.

How do you think people get mad cow disease? I'm sure most of you /cook/ beef before eating it, but that doesn't denature the prions obviously. If you look it up it'll tell you even if the meat is reduced to ash prions remain. That's why they are so dangerous.

How do you suppose we get ''proof'' of SHC? You think it's ethical to hook hundreds of babies up to temperature sensors and keep them under laboratory observation their entire life, hoping for one of them to combust?

Not likely, anyone who thinks so is deluded.

I've seen the documentary on the Science Channel. I remember it included a lot more detail than what the news articles have given out.
And no, I could not invision this case to be a hoax. Here's why;


In the past, another person has claimed the exact same thing.

Jack Angel (even saying a doctor said he had burnt from the inside out - this case is exactly the same as Frank's! )
Also we should ponder why Frank and Jack would make up such an unbelievable tale. That doesn't seem consistent at all with hoaxers who want to be believed.

I've seen Frank's facebook account and he seems genuinely frightened this may happen to him again. He has also commented on the article about him on The Mirror (news) website, telling non-believers that it could happen to them, and that he has the Doctor's statement to back him up.

He ended the comment by giving away his complete address for anyone who has questions, or wants more information.

Animals are burnt to death in order to protect other animals from getting infected by the prions. Why would they burn them to ash if prions are carried in ash - you've got some imagination. What's most annoying about all your theories is that it all sounds forced or made up, up to and including the names you use for your characters, like Jack Angel.


These unbelievable tales are created and shown on television so that insanely idiotic people like yourself (sorry for being so crude) can keep themselves occupied while more productive people, like those producing these shows make heaps of money off of the idiots that make it their life-long goal to prove something that 99% of the world doesn't care about.


Why would I care for his information when I can PM him here

Jack Angel is a real person.
Google is your friend.

You way too gullible if you believe everything you read on the internet. I bet you're one of the hypochondriacs too lol